Avantair Training Contract

[Autoparts2]

Just wondering if any other frac has a training contract? The one at Avantair from what I understand is a bit stiff. Non prorated for 365 days and various other items. Anyone with any knowledge please shed some light.

What is the washout rate and the people having to pay this?

 

[Sparse]

Just wondering if any other frac has a training contract? The one at Avantair from what I understand is a bit stiff. Non prorated for 365 days and various other items. Anyone with any knowledge please shed some light.

What is the washout rate and the people having to pay this?

CS has a one year contract. $20,000. Guys leave but you never hear if it is enforced or not. I have only heard of one wash out in the last year. I would say it would be very hard to collect on that one.

 

[Number$Cruncher]

Been there, paid that....

Guys leave but you never hear if it is enforced or not...I would say it would be very hard to collect on that one.

Let me assure you that unless they are written by a non-lawyer, these things are most definitely enforceable. As distasteful as they are in most situations, a company's ability to collect on them is limited only by their determination. I've heard all sorts of arguments from naive pilots, including someone's claim that they would be found by a court amount to "involuntary servitude", but that's simply not the case.

If asked to sign one do the due diligence necessary to understand exactly what you're committing to, then make the decision. Under no circumstances sign one that would compel you to pay if you are involuntarily separated from the company for any reason. ASA is going through some of this right now - you might want to look into that situation for an additional twist on the subject. Caveat emptor.

 

[flyboy'sfriend]

Your Honor, I Object !!!!!

Didn't I hear that the CEO of Avantair is a New York City Lawyer?

That's enough to make your knees go weak when contemplating breaking that contract, let's hope that nothing unexpected happens the first year.:smash:

 

[eagleatr]

From what I've heard, they've only held one person to that contract. They only did that because he walked in one day and just quit. At least that's the story I heard....

 

[Guitar Guy]

Just wondering if any other frac has a training contract?

The new CBA at NetJets abolished all training contracts.

 

[brewerdog]

the contract is pretty heavy but I've heard the same - not many asked to pay, it was written by a team of lawyers so be careful

 

[pipejockey]

Well they certainly can't collect a training contract if they washed you out. You didnt leave, they fired you!

 

[flyboy'sfriend]

Are you sure about that? Are you willing to bet $18,000 on that hunch?

 

[Autoparts2]

Contract

Just spoke with someone here on flightinfo and they say it says you still owe them if terminated. If you do not make it through ground school or you leave, you owe them $8000.00. Once you start flight training and you leave on your own or they decide to tell you to leave you now owe them $18000.00
Sounds stiff to me, maybe this could be a reason why they can not find enough people. Anyone here tested the water?

 

[gunfyter]

I would be willing to take that risk. If you are terminated and they still want their 18K.... fine keep paying you your salary then.

They are the one's breaking the contract.

 

[pipejockey]

Sounds stiff to me, maybe this could be a reason why they can not find enough people.

Say what??? I sent them a resume several months ago and didn't get any interest whatsoever. I have over 1500ME and 1000 in the 727 which is what I am flying currently. My total is on the low side but it met their mins as of late last summer. I know they have raised the total to 2500 but gee whiz, doesn't 1300 turbine make me qualified to fly the Piaggio?

 

[Capt. JD]

Why?

Say what??? I sent them a resume several months ago and didn't get any interest whatsoever. I have over 1500ME and 1000 in the 727 which is what I am flying currently. My total is on the low side but it met their mins as of late last summer. I know they have raised the total to 2500 but gee whiz, doesn't 1300 turbine make me qualified to fly the Piaggio?

Why would you want to go from a B-727 to a P-180?

All contracts tell me one thing, the company has high turn over... If you dig deeper you usually fine a reason why. Is pay still 25,000 first year at AvantiAir?

 

[angryoneincher]

Why would you want to go from a B-727 to a P-180?

All contracts tell me one thing, the company has high turn over... If you dig deeper you usually fine a reason why. Is pay still 25,000 first year at AvantiAir?

Capt. JD

You are a wise man.

-AOI:beer:

 

[pipejockey]

Why would you want to go from a B-727 to a P-180?

1. Because I am about to lose my job.
2. I will be a life long SIC where I am at now even if we did have work in the future here.
3. Pay is frozen and Captain Pay is higher at Avantair than FO pay where I am at now, plus it's PIC turbine increasing my future potential.

I do love the 727 though.

 

[whiskytangofoxt]

JD, you are wrong about a high turnover rate

 

[angryoneincher]

JD, you are wrong about a high turnover rate

No, he's not.

 

[cornfed]

Is pay still 25,000 first year at AvantiAir?

Its $30k for first year

and there is almost no turnover ***apple or cherry***

 

[RollandPull]

the only turnover this year has been 3 pilots - one pilot got called up by Continental, one pilot left because he got a job with ATC. Only one pilot left because he was disgruntled with a previous DO, he went to netjets to fly a 10.

 

[brewerdog]

hay Angry - how may people have left?

if you are so unhappy why do you still work here?

 

[flightlvl510]

hay Angry - how may people have left?

if you are so unhappy why do you still work here?

Don't be fooled, he only wants you to think he still works there.

 

[angryoneincher]

hay Angry - how may people have left?

if you are so unhappy why do you still work here?

For right now, I can work here and live where I live. And I'm not THAT unhappy, I've just seen so many of my good friends get f'd over because of petty, egotistical people. That's it in a nutshell.

 

[angryoneincher]

Don't be fooled, he only wants you to think he still works there.

Thank you. You've proved again that stupidity is alive and well.

 

[eagleatr]

hay Angry - how may people have left?

At least 5 that I'm aware of, and that's just in the last couple months.

 

[mooney flier]

Anybody here have any experience with the training contract at Avantair? If so, please PM me.

Thanks

 

[PilotChapin]

How is it that they expect for you to pay 18,000K for a peace of s***t airplane that can be flown single pilot, doesnt require a type rating, and for a company that tries to push pilots to do unsafe things?! I know a couple of people that have left, and didn't hear a thing for about a year. Talked to them a few days ago and they all told me that they got a letter saying "Pay us back in 30 days with 12% interest or we will take legal action." What a crock of sh***.
for 20K you can get 2 737 Type ratings!! I say boy, dont pay this MFkrs anything, get together and dont let this ass****les intimidate you.

Look at it this way.... they want you to pay them back b/c if you pay them back 18K, you're basically paying the next idiot's Initial. So as you can see, they are trying to avoid costs at all cost.
It is also obvious that they are trying to collect their contract now b/c they are still bleeding money away. How can they expect people to actually stay around flying BS equipment, FOs not allowed to fly, and Bills not getting payed.
Last I heard Landmark aviation was not providing anymore charter service for Avantair b/c they hadn't paid their Bill which reached the 100s of thousands.

 

[glasspilot]

Wow, some anger there. I wonder what happened to make you so bitter...on second thought, no, I don't really care.

The training contract does exist and it is not prorated. I have to admit that was my biggest problem accepting employment here. And I had no problem guaranteeing I would stay a year, but it's true that if they fire you then you are still technically on the hook for the contract. I can't imagine any company going after you for the cash in that instance, but that is what you sign. I signed it and my year is up so I sleep better.

As for the rest, it's not a peace of "s***t airplane". It's an amazing airplane that turns a lot of heads. It travels 500 miles on 100 gallons of gas in a very spacious cabin that an owner would have to buy a hawker to equal. With the steady rise of gas prices I truly believe that the Piaggo will be a very attractive airplane for the foreseeable future.

I have NEVER been pushed to do anything unsafe. I would quit if I was contracts be damned.

To my knowledge no one has ever been told to pay the contract. I do know of a case where the guy lied about being called active duty and they considered trying to collect. Not sure if they did or not but I wouldn't lose sleep if they did.

Sure, a 737 type costs less. Too bad training costs aren't tied to the size of airplane. Instead the laws of supply and demand govern. There is ONE Piaggio sim in the USA. How many 737 sims are there? I'm thinking more.

FO pay is $35,000 per year. Second year Captain is $53,000 and that is your second year pay. If fact, I've heard that upgrades are most likely going to happen before 12 months.

FOs are allowed to fly.

I have no information of bills being paid or Landmark charters, however that's not my job. I fly airplanes. I do know that I go to Landmark all the time and get any services I order just like any other FBO. The SAT phones all work (used one two days ago) and planes get fixed. I see no evidence on the line to support your claim that bills aren't getting paid.

Like I said, I don't know why you have an axe to grind with Avantair but your hostility towards the place makes me believe you don't have a very objective perspective.

 

[ILFLY2]

Just wondering if any other frac has a training contract? The one at Avantair from what I understand is a bit stiff. Non prorated for 365 days and various other items. Anyone with any knowledge please shed some light.

What is the washout rate and the people having to pay this?

If you worrry so much about training contract why you care for applying avantair...
you can go to NJ and get free type and do whatever...

 

[ILFLY2]

How is it that they expect for you to pay 18,000K for a peace of s***t airplane that can be flown single pilot, doesnt require a type rating, and for a company that tries to push pilots to do unsafe things?! I know a couple of people that have left, and didn't hear a thing for about a year. Talked to them a few days ago and they all told me that they got a letter saying "Pay us back in 30 days with 12% interest or we will take legal action." What a crock of sh***.
for 20K you can get 2 737 Type ratings!! I say boy, dont pay this MFkrs anything, get together and dont let this ass****les intimidate you.

Look at it this way.... they want you to pay them back b/c if you pay them back 18K, you're basically paying the next idiot's Initial. So as you can see, they are trying to avoid costs at all cost.
It is also obvious that they are trying to collect their contract now b/c they are still bleeding money away. How can they expect people to actually stay around flying BS equipment, FOs not allowed to fly, and Bills not getting payed.
Last I heard Landmark aviation was not providing anymore charter service for Avantair b/c they hadn't paid their Bill which reached the 100s of thousands.

what the hell is matter with this dude??
smell like former employee....

 

[Geronimo4497]

The training contract is 22K and IS now prorated.