Attrition at ASA after the bonus?

[USCtrojan]

Cancel or delay orders=Pilot hiring???10 to 15 yrs to upgrade
Bye Bye office staff=Here comes the Merger...

That's exactly what I was thinking. What a great way to divert attention while a merger is incoming.

Trojan

 

[CFI2766]

yeah, it was a good speech. apparently the ATRs are here to stay, despite breaking down and being very costly to maintain now.

I've long suspected this, but did the Bradster specifically address this? Any quotes from the show and tell session of the 4th?

 

[CFI2766]

The article I found at the AJC site specifically mentioned that Delta would, for now, continue to hire pilots and sucktomer service types.

However, obviously, this can change, possibly already has, on a moment's notice.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I bet Delta's announcement of a hiring freeze (and possible layoffs next year) may affect attrition. Surely the other legacy carriers will follow up shortly.

There has not been a word on the Delta side about a hiring freeze. To be specific, there is a freeze on for the G.O. staff that has been on since late summer before Whitehurst departed. There are bonuses for referring Flight Attendants and the pilots are supposed to increase in number by 625 to 650 in 2008.

In 2007 the forcast number was 200 to 250 and they hired 400.

 

[CFI2766]

We're losing 20 a month right now. Not as high as it has been, but after 4Q it should pickup... no?[/quote]

I'm not so sure about the attrition spiking after the bonus is paid. Think about it, if someone had a class date at (fill in Major of choice), would you put that on an indefinate hold to stick around for the ASA bonus? I'm just not so sure that folks would ask the major to wait on them until they got their bonus.

I know an ATR captain who just got hired at CAL. I think that he wound up leaving just before the bonus calculation date because that's when he had to be in Houston for training.

 

[JumpersAway]

There won't be a whole meger in this industry. Delta and USAirways was scrupled to death by both investors AND the government. The government was bringing up anti-trust concerns between number six (Airways) and number three (Delta) in size. I believe the pilot groups would have been about 9k strong as a combined list. No way is the government going to let Delta merge with United or Northwest, resulting a seniority list of pilots topping 10K or 11K. People were dead set against a Delta/USAirways merger because of furloughes......since then, USAirways has announced HIRING 425 pilots. It's funny how things work out. Delta just didn't want to be the hunted.......

As I said, no Major mergers in this industry. I'd be willing to see some more of the smaller ones go for consolidation though. Alaska, Midwest, Frontier, JB, Aloha, Hawaiian- I'd expect to see some of them get snatched up by the majors over the course of the next few years.

 

[Medeco]

There you have it, the final answer to everyones concern over a major/legacy merger!

Sorry dude, but there is way more to it.

Just one point alone, there would be possible furloughs because IF the govt agreed to the merger, the airline would have to agree to giving up many routes, in order to avoid a monopoly.

Under the right terms, the Govt. would allow.

Medeco

 

[ohplease!]

It'll happen. Bet on it.

 

[aerobato]

I saw Leonard wheeling out a cart load of Jepps the other day. People are still leaving.

Leonard is a troll

 

[JumpersAway]

It'll happen. Bet on it.

I'll take that bet:beer:

 

[contrail67]

Fox Atlanta news last night.

He is just spreading doom and gloom the best he can...they are mgmnt positions...and RJ's being replaced

 

[701EV]

He is just spreading doom and gloom the best he can...they are mgmnt positions...and RJ's being replaced

JP is not spreading gloom and doom. He just stated what he saw on Fox5 Atlanta. On 11Alive news they said the same thing " Delta is on a hiring freeze". They didn't say but we're still hiring pilots and FA's they said HIRING FREEZE.

701EV

 

[BigShow]

I will be leaving after the bonus. Just to good to pass up

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Just to good to pass up

The money or leaving?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Fox news initially reported Sept 11th was due to a navigational error causing Regional Jets to hit buildings on a clear day. The news babe said, as the second airplane hit, "they are going to have to fix that." No kidding, don't believe Fox's lousy aviation reporting.

Schoolhouse rumors are that the first classes in 2008 will be 35, instead of 25. Delta said they were going to hire 200 in 07 and hired twice that number. Depending on these MD90's, 2008 could see hiring go over the current picture of 600.

It is not all doom & gloom. In the 50 seat debate ASA has the better product in the CRJ, the SkyWest contract which side stepped bankruptcy and the leased RJ's from Delta that Delta did negotiate cheap rates on while at the courthouse.

Delta seems to like having the uncertainty out there, but from the bleachers things look pretty good for ASA going into half time. Things hinge on how SkyWest runs the operation.

 

[John Pennekamp]

JP is not spreading gloom and doom. He just stated what he saw on Fox5 Atlanta. On 11Alive news they said the same thing " Delta is on a hiring freeze". They didn't say but we're still hiring pilots and FA's they said HIRING FREEZE.

701EV

Yeah, typical FI, "shoot the messenger". Ready, Fire, Aim.

 

[John Pennekamp]

DL owns the ATRs out right=all profit

Delta does NOT own the ATRs. All of them are leased from Antoine Finance Company.

But they still make crazy money for Delta. I was once told we only need to fill 10 seats to break even. We rarely fly with less than 50.

 

[CFI2766]

Delta does NOT own the ATRs. All of them are leased from Antoine Finance Company.

But they still make crazy money for Delta. I was once told we only need to fill 10 seats to break even. We rarely fly with less than 50.

I hadn't really thought about it, but I can't really remember the last time that I had less than half of the seats filled. Other than HXD, it seems like nearly every where we go we have greater than 90% of the seats filled on the ATR.

 

[CFI2766]

It is not all doom & gloom. In the 50 seat debate ASA has the better product in the CRJ, the SkyWest contract which side stepped bankruptcy and the leased RJ's from Delta that Delta did negotiate cheap rates on while at the courthouse.

Delta seems to like having the uncertainty out there, but from the bleachers things look pretty good for ASA going into half time. Things hinge on how SkyWest runs the operation.[/quote]

I'm not quite sure what you are saying here... is it that ASA has better rates on the 50 seat RJ than SKYW? Other way around?

 

[ehaecker]

We take 66 + JS quite often in the ATR