Attrition at ASA after the bonus?

[CFI2766]

Being somewhat isolated over in the country club that is the 'D' lounge, I don't know how things are going over in the newly 'refreshed' 'C' lounge. Thus, does anybody have a feel for what the attrition at ASA is now that the TA has passed? Are we still losing around 20-ish a month? Or, have folks cooled off awaiting their 15 Dec. paycheck?

Based off of the number of reserve pilots versus the number of lines, it appears that the ATR is well staffed. Perhaps over-staffed. Is this the case on either jet?

Are there any conclusions to be drawn from this?

I'm a late November '06 hire; it looks as though my class will see less than two year upgrades.

 

[flyinhigh6165]

The new look at C reminds me of walking in a run down elementary school. Guess on the attrition question, all we can do is wait until after the 15th. I think the pilots that get their check and that have to now pay to come to work due to the travel benefits change are going to be the ones really wanting to jet.

 

[BCpilot81]

There is nothing by way of #'s but I know I have spoken with at least 30 guys/girls that claim to be leaving after the check. These are people that I believe would stand behind a statement like that. All it is, one more thing holding the door open even more along with the people that were getting out of here regardless.

BTW Flyin-
That is easily one of the top 5 avatars I have seen yet.:beer:

 

[McNugent]

Talked to one of the CP secretaries. She said they are expecting about 330 total for the year. She had two sets of jepps on her desk from the day before.

 

[Max Q]

*Calculates seniority number*

In other news, how's the dark side CFI? Give me a call some time.

-Brett

 

[jonjuan]

The new look at C reminds me of walking in a run down elementary school. Guess on the attrition question, all we can do is wait until after the 15th. I think the pilots that get their check and that have to now pay to come to work due to the travel benefits change are going to be the ones really wanting to jet.

Is Home Depot hiring????

 

[CFI2766]

*Calculates seniority number*

In other news, how's the dark side CFI? Give me a call some time.

-Brett

Things are great in the 'D' lounge. You missed out...

I'm kicking around the idea of bidding for a seat on the 50, but I really don't want to self-induce any more training/ FSI appreciation time than I have to.

 

[jstyle13]

I thought all you had to do to get your $$$ was be here through the 20th of November. You'd still get your cash even if you quit before the 15th right?

I haven't heard any numbers, but I talked to a couple Captains that quit last week.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I saw Leonard wheeling out a cart load of Jepps the other day. People are still leaving.

 

[Hovernut]

The new look at C reminds me of walking in a run down elementary school.

:nuts: uh what were you saying? I couldn't get past your A#1 avatar!!:beer:

Have they stripped the nasty a$$ grime off the walls of that can outside the crew lounge in C? I've found its counterpart in the belly of the beast of JFK just outside the employee cafe in Terminal 3.

We'll probably join y'all as DL stepchildren when they decide to toss us aside after the new year. Not looking forward to the pay-for-commute.

 

[Max Q]

Things are great in the 'D' lounge. You missed out...

I'm kicking around the idea of bidding for a seat on the 50, but I really don't want to self-induce any more training/ FSI appreciation time than I have to.

Perhaps I did miss out. However, I wasn't looking to self-induce any more FSI training *cough by the end of next year cough* than I have to.

-Brett

 

[Flybywire44]

Things are great in the 'D' lounge. You missed out...

I'm kicking around the idea of bidding for a seat on the 50, but I really don't want to self-induce any more training/ FSI appreciation time than I have to.

Contract allows for ATR drivers to go 70 FO slot or Upgrade on what they can hold.

We're losing 20 a month right now. Not as high as it has been, but after 4Q it should pickup... no?

 

[CFI2766]

Advancement due to attrition is good, but advancement due to a/c growth would be much, much better.

When the Bradster spoke today, did he sound positive about ASA's performance since the contract was wrapped up?

Anyone there for the speech?

 

[Flybywire44]

There was a speach?

 

[John Pennekamp]

I bet Delta's announcement of a hiring freeze (and possible layoffs next year) may affect attrition. Surely the other legacy carriers will follow up shortly.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

yeah, it was a good speech. apparently the ATRs are here to stay, despite breaking down and being very costly to maintain now.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I bet Delta's announcement of a hiring freeze (and possible layoffs next year) may affect attrition. Surely the other legacy carriers will follow up shortly.

JP,

Where did you hear this?

 

[John Pennekamp]

JP,

Where did you hear this?

Fox Atlanta news last night.

 

[scarlet]

Cancel or delay orders=Pilot hiring???10 to 15 yrs to upgrade
Bye Bye office staff=Here comes the Merger...

 

[scarlet]

DL owns the ATRs out right=all profit

 

[USCtrojan]

Cancel or delay orders=Pilot hiring???10 to 15 yrs to upgrade
Bye Bye office staff=Here comes the Merger...

That's exactly what I was thinking. What a great way to divert attention while a merger is incoming.

Trojan

 

[CFI2766]

yeah, it was a good speech. apparently the ATRs are here to stay, despite breaking down and being very costly to maintain now.

I've long suspected this, but did the Bradster specifically address this? Any quotes from the show and tell session of the 4th?

 

[CFI2766]

The article I found at the AJC site specifically mentioned that Delta would, for now, continue to hire pilots and sucktomer service types.

However, obviously, this can change, possibly already has, on a moment's notice.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I bet Delta's announcement of a hiring freeze (and possible layoffs next year) may affect attrition. Surely the other legacy carriers will follow up shortly.

There has not been a word on the Delta side about a hiring freeze. To be specific, there is a freeze on for the G.O. staff that has been on since late summer before Whitehurst departed. There are bonuses for referring Flight Attendants and the pilots are supposed to increase in number by 625 to 650 in 2008.

In 2007 the forcast number was 200 to 250 and they hired 400.

 

[CFI2766]

We're losing 20 a month right now. Not as high as it has been, but after 4Q it should pickup... no?[/quote]

I'm not so sure about the attrition spiking after the bonus is paid. Think about it, if someone had a class date at (fill in Major of choice), would you put that on an indefinate hold to stick around for the ASA bonus? I'm just not so sure that folks would ask the major to wait on them until they got their bonus.

I know an ATR captain who just got hired at CAL. I think that he wound up leaving just before the bonus calculation date because that's when he had to be in Houston for training.

 

[JumpersAway]

There won't be a whole meger in this industry. Delta and USAirways was scrupled to death by both investors AND the government. The government was bringing up anti-trust concerns between number six (Airways) and number three (Delta) in size. I believe the pilot groups would have been about 9k strong as a combined list. No way is the government going to let Delta merge with United or Northwest, resulting a seniority list of pilots topping 10K or 11K. People were dead set against a Delta/USAirways merger because of furloughes......since then, USAirways has announced HIRING 425 pilots. It's funny how things work out. Delta just didn't want to be the hunted.......

As I said, no Major mergers in this industry. I'd be willing to see some more of the smaller ones go for consolidation though. Alaska, Midwest, Frontier, JB, Aloha, Hawaiian- I'd expect to see some of them get snatched up by the majors over the course of the next few years.

 

[Medeco]

There you have it, the final answer to everyones concern over a major/legacy merger!

Sorry dude, but there is way more to it.

Just one point alone, there would be possible furloughs because IF the govt agreed to the merger, the airline would have to agree to giving up many routes, in order to avoid a monopoly.

Under the right terms, the Govt. would allow.

Medeco

 

[ohplease!]

It'll happen. Bet on it.

 

[aerobato]

I saw Leonard wheeling out a cart load of Jepps the other day. People are still leaving.

Leonard is a troll

 

[JumpersAway]

It'll happen. Bet on it.

I'll take that bet:beer: