Attn: Cal pilots...... Scope relief = no vote!!!!

[bluechunks]

Just curious, is there an offer on the table from CAL? If so, what specifically does it say re SCOPE and pay? When was the offer made?

CAL, negotiating in public, offered the "DAL contract" to the CAL pilots via a letter that was also provided to the Wall Street Journal this week. The article is available online and is probably in today's (18th) paper issue.

CAL offered DAL pay rates + $1. The big kicker: CAL pilots enjoy much better scope protection than DAL which would be eliminated if CAL adopted the "DAL contract."

Translation: CAL management has a new trojan horse.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

Simply stated, mgt is offering marginally better pay and significantly better work rules in exchange for 500-1000 pilot jobs disappearing after the 500s, 700s, and maybe even some 800s are parked and replaced by 76 seaters flown by Republic. NFW! There will NEVER be a relaxation of Scope outside of BK court to the extent of DAL's. ALPA needs to be proactive with the other employee groups to let them know that if we sign this proposal, with a 20% reduction in the CAL fleet their jobs will be going away too!

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

As a DAL pilot, I would say ANY scope relief would be bad....... I am sick of seeing over half of our domestic flying being farmed out and seeing CRJ900s and E175s parked at our gates. It has cost DAL tons of jobs.

Hey ***********************************. You can only blame yourself. There never was a RJ larger than 50 seats back in the day. Last time I checked you all Legacy boys voted your careers away with scope relief. Its your own damn fault. Now us regional guys are stuck here, because you all do not have the balls to vote no.

 

[relief tube]

Cal's the only airline that has it right concerning this....and whose greedy, senior pilots have not caved like everyone else has.

And why stop at 50 seat jets? why not 50 seat anything? Who cares if a q400 has props...watch them come out with a 100 seat version of the damn thing. cap it at seats no matter what type

 

[contrail67]

76 seat scope relief is fine above that i would draw the line

and that is the problem...right there with that post my goodness when will you learn!!!

 

[superrav]

You guys are the majors need to grow some balls and just F'ing call in sick one day. Freaking everyone!! They play hard..its time for us to play hard.. but oh the RLA?? whoopty dooo..im sick and tired of the RLA BS.. CALL in sick and let them know who runs the show!!

Regional pilot hoping for a major job and wants to fly nothing larger then a 50.

F the Q's

 

[LearLove]

Hey ***********************************. You can only blame yourself. There never was a RJ larger than 50 seats back in the day. Last time I checked you all Legacy boys voted your careers away with scope relief. Its your own damn fault. Now us regional guys are stuck here, because you all do not have the balls to vote no.

it wasn't voted away at my carrier it was taken in ch11

 

[V1cutsrfun]

How about Congress pass a law that prohibits a carrier to brand itself (code share) with another airline.... Most of the public thinks they purchased a ticket and are riding on a USair, United, CAL, DAL, AA.... etc operated flight.... not a flight operated by another airline.... whatever or whoever that may be...

It would force the mainline carrier to own their regionals again....

Just my .02

V1

 

[Bad-Andy]

There is an easy solution to CAL Management's Scope problem -- CAL pilots allow as many 76/90/however many seat jets to be flown in CAL colors. The catch -- flown by CAL pilots on the CAL contract at the narrow-body (737) payrates. Seems simple to me, but I haven't actually finished my MBA yet, so obviously I must be missing something......

 

[LearLove]

There is an easy solution to CAL Management's Scope problem -- CAL pilots allow as many 76/90/however many seat jets to be flown in CAL colors. The catch -- flown by CAL pilots on the CAL contract at the narrow-body (737) payrates. Seems simple to me, but I haven't actually finished my MBA yet, so obviously I must be missing something......

I agree. Bedford, JO or whoever can buy as many 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700 ect. seaters they want as long as they are flown buy the respective carriers mainline pilots. I don't care who owns the aircraft.

 

[Captain X]

Everyone needs to just chill out. There is NOTHING to vote on.

This is JUST a proposal.

And bluechunks nailed it...CAL management is attempting to circumvent the entire negotiations process under the guise of "good faith, simplicity, and the kindness of their hearts."

What the pilot group should really be pissed about is how they just tried an end run around our entire NC and MEC and are trying to let the public (WSJ, AP, etc) in on it to affect the outcome.

You should also be pissed that they did this when our MEC Chairman was out of the country at an IFALPA conference.

Makes you wonder, just why exactly is CAL management so scared to negotiate? Or why they are so afraid to sit down and actually engage in some interest-based bargaining.

 

[chppr5]

Hey ***********************************. You can only blame yourself. There never was a RJ larger than 50 seats back in the day. Last time I checked you all Legacy boys voted your careers away with scope relief. Its your own damn fault. Now us regional guys are stuck here, because you all do not have the balls to vote no.

An when will you guys have the balls to negotiate a respectable pay scale for the RJ? It goes both ways.

 

[nerjdriver]

The only regional pilots that want CAL to give up scope are those LOSERS at RAH.

Hang tough guys.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

An when will you guys have the balls to negotiate a respectable pay scale for the RJ? It goes both ways.

Ask any Comair, Atlantic Coast, Air Wisconsin, or Expressjet pilot what happens when you make a reasonable pay rate on the RJ. Until the Mesa/CHQ whipsaw is permanently removed, the race to the bottom will continue. I won't hold my breath.

 

[SFR]

He's out on medical which explains his 20 hrs YTD. But I agree with his no scope for sale. He nailed that.
Hope you got LTD to keep some money flowing in Sean.

I do, LTD was approved.

 

[Ben Franklin]

Makes you wonder, just why exactly is CAL management so scared to negotiate? Or why they are so afraid to sit down and actually engage in some interest-based bargaining.

Frankly, they understand who they've got sitting in the nose cones of their airplanes.

They also understand that CALALPA/ALPA-N is too conventional (eg. they fight like the British during the revolution)...

... easy to pick off and beat from the trees and bushes:

http://www.newenglandtravelplanner.com/assets/ma_images/lexington/redcoats7064.jpg



Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[Jetjockey]

HOLD THE LINE! No more outsourcing of our jobs.

 

[i fly boxes]

obviously i am a regional pilot, a captain at Pinnacle. These are routes currently being flown by 76 seat regionals at delta and trust me, these are only a few there are much more. DTW-SAT, ATL-STX, DTW-SLC, MSP-YVR, LGA-OMA, DTW-ORD, DTW-MDW. ATL-ORD, LGA-MDW, LGA-BOS, LGA-DCA.
I understand that you have to have the right plane for the right route and if a 76 seat jet is that plane fine, but keep the plane at mainline. Keep the plane there now at all costs, negotiate the pay rate second. If the payscale doesnt look that great for 76 seat jets, its still more important than allowing it to be flown by a regional. Also, cap what Colgan can do in that q400, its more efficient than the 50 seat jet. There has to be a pilot group that can hold the line, good luck CAL and AMR! Save our careers!

 

[belliott]

obviously i am a regional pilot, a captain at Pinnacle. These are routes currently being flown by 76 seat regionals at delta and trust me, these are only a few there are much more. DTW-SAT, ATL-STX, DTW-SLC, MSP-YVR, LGA-OMA, DTW-ORD, DTW-MDW. ATL-ORD, LGA-MDW, LGA-BOS, LGA-DCA.
I understand that you have to have the right plane for the right route and if a 76 seat jet is that plane fine, but keep the plane at mainline. Keep the plane there now at all costs, negotiate the pay rate second. If the payscale doesnt look that great for 76 seat jets, its still more important than allowing it to be flown by a regional. Also, cap what Colgan can do in that q400, its more efficient than the 50 seat jet. There has to be a pilot group that can hold the line, good luck CAL and AMR! Save our careers!

I agree.... don't give up scope.... take back your flying for christ sake and leave the real regional flying to me. I am content doing my time running between BPT, AEX, LFT, and others cities like them.

 

[Mr.B]

obviously i am a regional pilot, a captain at Pinnacle. These are routes currently being flown by 76 seat regionals at delta and trust me, these are only a few there are much more. DTW-SAT, ATL-STX, DTW-SLC, MSP-YVR, LGA-OMA, DTW-ORD, DTW-MDW. ATL-ORD, LGA-MDW, LGA-BOS, LGA-DCA.
I understand that you have to have the right plane for the right route and if a 76 seat jet is that plane fine, but keep the plane at mainline. Keep the plane there now at all costs, negotiate the pay rate second. If the payscale doesnt look that great for 76 seat jets, its still more important than allowing it to be flown by a regional. Also, cap what Colgan can do in that q400, its more efficient than the 50 seat jet. There has to be a pilot group that can hold the line, good luck CAL and AMR! Save our careers!

An RJ Captain that actually gets it! Well done sir!