Attn: Cal pilots...... Scope relief = no vote!!!!

[SFR]

Do NOT vote yes on anything that allows 50+ seaters to any other pilots besides mainline CAL.....

 

[michael707767]

Take it from a Delta pilot, he is right. Do not give up scope. Don't listen to the Delta MEC. Our scope has cost us thousands of jobs. Did thousands of pilots lose their jobs? No. But we would have thousands more pilots absent our current scope.

With 76 seat scope, you can kiss most of the 737 fleet good bye. All of our sub 140 seat flying disappeared without any replacement. That replacement was the 70 and 76 seat RJs.

 

[Raoul Duke]

76 seat scope relief is fine above that I would draw the line

 

[texman]

76 seat scope relief is fine above that I would draw the line

Do you agree with 76 seat relief?

 

[mamba20]

Wrong pal. Anything above 50 seat relief is a no vote. You vote yes on something like that, you vote me out of a job.

 

[Flyforyou]

Two words... NO and FUPM!

 

[JI Gone OH]

76 seat scope relief is fine above that I would draw the line

I highly suggest you rethink your logic and leave the line where it is at 50 seats. If you're working under the current CAL contract, your SCOPE protection is the only thing left in there that's worth a sh*t.

 

[Kharma Police]

Do NOT vote yes on anything that allows 50+ seaters to any other pilots besides mainline CAL.....

You've only flown about 20 hours so far for the year, with the scope relief you might be able to keep that rate going until December.

 

[Continental]

You've only flown about 20 hours so far for the year, with the scope relief you might be able to keep that rate going until December.

He's out on medical which explains his 20 hrs YTD. But I agree with his no scope for sale. He nailed that.
Hope you got LTD to keep some money flowing in Sean.

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

Do NOT vote yes on anything that allows 50+ seaters to any other pilots besides mainline CAL.....

Wow! SFR actually posted something on flightinfo that doesn't make him look like an idiot! Good job, SFR!


SCOPE IS NOT FOR SALE.

 

[bluefin]

Don't do it, look at UAL.

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

Please VOTE YES

I want to Fly a big RJ out of EWR. Please vote YES

 

[Continental]

I want to Fly a big RJ out of EWR. Please vote YES

Just stay in the bottom of the dumpster at Mesa where you belong.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Please vote no! Do not let the 76 seat planes go to regionals. There are MANY regional pilots who want to fly FOR the mainline carrier, NOT fly their regional with a mainline paint job. Keep as much of that flying mainline as you can.

 

[cq43vt17t]

As a DAL pilot, I would say ANY scope relief would be bad....... I am sick of seeing over half of our domestic flying being farmed out and seeing CRJ900s and E175s parked at our gates. It has cost DAL tons of jobs.

 

[LearLove]

Just look at the US Air B and C terminals in Philly if you want an idea of what it will be like give up your scope.

Don't do it unless dream of being furloughed only to start over again at a regional junior to some 24 year old spikey hair gel kid who is now flying what was once YOUR line.

 

[Bad-Andy]

Just look at the US Air B and C terminals in Philly if you want an idea of what it will be like give up your scope.

Don't do it unless dream of being furloughed only to start over again at a regional junior to some 24 year old spikey hair gel kid who is now flying what was once YOUR line.

What Lear said!!!! You vote this crap offer in and you'll be throwing the bottom of your list to the wolves. Just look at Airways....

The rest of us are counting on you guys getting the money AND holding scope. You have all the power right now...

 

[lookin4better]

Just look at the US Air B and C terminals in Philly if you want an idea of what it will be like give up your scope.

Don't do it unless dream of being furloughed only to start over again at a regional junior to some 24 year old spikey hair gel kid who is now flying what was once YOUR line.

Absolutely true! And then, without batting an eye, he will complain when another regional "takes" the flying that he thinks belongs to him.

Vote no.

 

[Quiet Flight]

Just curious, is there an offer on the table from CAL? If so, what specifically does it say re SCOPE and pay? When was the offer made?

Thanks.

 

[AAflyer]

The 2 remaining Legacies with fairly intact SCOPE clauses are AA and CAL. AA will have 48 (if not mistaken) total 70 seat RJs. CAL has none. AA's RJ outsourcing consists of of roughly 9% of their ASMs, I believe CALs is around 22%. Considering DAL,UAL, and Usairways we are the last two standing. What one of us does will greatly impact the other.

We can never take back what has been given, however we MUST stop it here.


Regards and Best of Luck to us all,

AA

 

[bluechunks]

Just curious, is there an offer on the table from CAL? If so, what specifically does it say re SCOPE and pay? When was the offer made?

CAL, negotiating in public, offered the "DAL contract" to the CAL pilots via a letter that was also provided to the Wall Street Journal this week. The article is available online and is probably in today's (18th) paper issue.

CAL offered DAL pay rates + $1. The big kicker: CAL pilots enjoy much better scope protection than DAL which would be eliminated if CAL adopted the "DAL contract."

Translation: CAL management has a new trojan horse.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

Simply stated, mgt is offering marginally better pay and significantly better work rules in exchange for 500-1000 pilot jobs disappearing after the 500s, 700s, and maybe even some 800s are parked and replaced by 76 seaters flown by Republic. NFW! There will NEVER be a relaxation of Scope outside of BK court to the extent of DAL's. ALPA needs to be proactive with the other employee groups to let them know that if we sign this proposal, with a 20% reduction in the CAL fleet their jobs will be going away too!

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

As a DAL pilot, I would say ANY scope relief would be bad....... I am sick of seeing over half of our domestic flying being farmed out and seeing CRJ900s and E175s parked at our gates. It has cost DAL tons of jobs.

Hey ***********************************. You can only blame yourself. There never was a RJ larger than 50 seats back in the day. Last time I checked you all Legacy boys voted your careers away with scope relief. Its your own damn fault. Now us regional guys are stuck here, because you all do not have the balls to vote no.

 

[relief tube]

Cal's the only airline that has it right concerning this....and whose greedy, senior pilots have not caved like everyone else has.

And why stop at 50 seat jets? why not 50 seat anything? Who cares if a q400 has props...watch them come out with a 100 seat version of the damn thing. cap it at seats no matter what type

 

[contrail67]

76 seat scope relief is fine above that i would draw the line

and that is the problem...right there with that post my goodness when will you learn!!!

 

[superrav]

You guys are the majors need to grow some balls and just F'ing call in sick one day. Freaking everyone!! They play hard..its time for us to play hard.. but oh the RLA?? whoopty dooo..im sick and tired of the RLA BS.. CALL in sick and let them know who runs the show!!

Regional pilot hoping for a major job and wants to fly nothing larger then a 50.

F the Q's

 

[LearLove]

Hey ***********************************. You can only blame yourself. There never was a RJ larger than 50 seats back in the day. Last time I checked you all Legacy boys voted your careers away with scope relief. Its your own damn fault. Now us regional guys are stuck here, because you all do not have the balls to vote no.

it wasn't voted away at my carrier it was taken in ch11

 

[V1cutsrfun]

How about Congress pass a law that prohibits a carrier to brand itself (code share) with another airline.... Most of the public thinks they purchased a ticket and are riding on a USair, United, CAL, DAL, AA.... etc operated flight.... not a flight operated by another airline.... whatever or whoever that may be...

It would force the mainline carrier to own their regionals again....

Just my .02

V1

 

[Bad-Andy]

There is an easy solution to CAL Management's Scope problem -- CAL pilots allow as many 76/90/however many seat jets to be flown in CAL colors. The catch -- flown by CAL pilots on the CAL contract at the narrow-body (737) payrates. Seems simple to me, but I haven't actually finished my MBA yet, so obviously I must be missing something......

 

[LearLove]

There is an easy solution to CAL Management's Scope problem -- CAL pilots allow as many 76/90/however many seat jets to be flown in CAL colors. The catch -- flown by CAL pilots on the CAL contract at the narrow-body (737) payrates. Seems simple to me, but I haven't actually finished my MBA yet, so obviously I must be missing something......

I agree. Bedford, JO or whoever can buy as many 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700 ect. seaters they want as long as they are flown buy the respective carriers mainline pilots. I don't care who owns the aircraft.