ATP written at ATP...??

[BritishGuy]

I've had a few people tell me that they walked into ATP locations not having studied any of the ATP questions and by the evening they had the ATP written done. Does ATP have some kind of secret or not really? Has anyone failed one of their one day ATP written exam preps? Time is limiting right now and I'll be willing to spend the $2-300 to get this ATP written out of the way the quickest way possible. Is this ATP way recommended or should I spend a long weekend and just put the work in myself?

 

[bigbuck]

If time is an issue, go ATP. I thought is was well worth the extra money to have it over in a day. I paid the $290 (approx) and was done. If you figure you buy the book ($30) and pay for the test ($85) your almost at half. What's your time worth. I know it would of taken me days to study from the Gleim. I'm a little slow.

 

[BritishGuy]

if you don't mind me asking what kinda of result did you get? Also, did you do ANY prior studying or none whatsoever? Thanks for the info.

 

[DrProc]

I've had a few people tell me that they walked into ATP locations not having studied any of the ATP questions and by the evening they had the ATP written done. Does ATP have some kind of secret or not really? Has anyone failed one of their one day ATP written exam preps? Time is limiting right now and I'll be willing to spend the $2-300 to get this ATP written out of the way the quickest way possible. Is this ATP way recommended or should I spend a long weekend and just put the work in myself?

I worked at ATP years ago and while I was there no one failed the test and as I can remember all scores were within the 90s. The secret is, is that they have narrowed down the question bank to the questions that are actually asked. It is only about 30% of the questions are on any version of the FAA exam, and you just study those, and the correct answer. Will you remember any in a month? No, but they get you a passing score, and that is what is important.

 

[pianoman]

Yeah I worked there too and my impression was about the same. Just memorize (don't learn anything ) and just about anyone who got with the program scored in the 90's. Depends how much of your free time you want to use to save a few bucks. Another nice thing is that they have a testing center right there all set up for you.

 

[Geronimo4497]

Three of us flew down to the ATP place in TTN back in April. Started at 9:00 am and we were on our way home by 19:30. The day was long, but well worth it. All of us scored in the 90's. Bring a lunch for TTN, not many food places deliver. All in all, the best 295 bucks I ever spent!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

It's really no different than a day of flightinfo.com

You start early in the morning and mindless go through the day clicking on page after page after page after page.

Except in the end you'll have your ATP to show for it.

 

[bigbuck]

I scored a 90. Its was myself and another guy taking the FE. We began studying at 0800 and we were both ready to test by 1400. Was out of there by 1500. I had studied some of the Gleim 2 years earlier.

 

[Flash]

I borrowed the King videos from my old flight school and started watching those. Half way into it I was either ready to kill myself or John and Martha
Smartened up, called ATP's, went to Trenton, scored somewhere in the mid 90's.

 

[liz289101]

I worked at ATP, and everyone who took the written prep and test passed with flying colors. The program is really good...taking all of the questions from the test bank and sorting out all of the questions you will never see. That way, you only have to study about 500 questions.

 

[fletch717]

I did it at LAL, Started at 8AM took the test at 4PM made a 92. Zero prep before that day, 295.00. Worth every penny. It helps if you have some 121 time with the regs question.

Most of the questions are outdated and don't apply much anymore.
Fletch

 

[EMB170Pilot]

I've had a few people tell me that they walked into ATP locations not having studied any of the ATP questions and by the evening they had the ATP written done. Does ATP have some kind of secret or not really? Has anyone failed one of their one day ATP written exam preps? Time is limiting right now and I'll be willing to spend the $2-300 to get this ATP written out of the way the quickest way possible. Is this ATP way recommended or should I spend a long weekend and just put the work in myself?

I did got my ATP written and the rating at A.T.P. Written...studied every chapter EXCEPT the performance and whatever the other chapter is with 150+ questions. Day of exam..went in and reviewed the chapters i studied for...no problems remembering the answers. spent the whole day on those other 2 chapters (the ones with the graphs and sh!t takes you 5-7 mins for 1 question)..... Got a 94% on da written go me go me

ATP ride was a piece of cake. did it FLL

Good Luck

 

[pilotkppsg]

I did the ATP written this summer when I had about a week of bad weather this summer, I had gotten the King DVDs about a month earlier b/c I was window shopping for a job at a regional and wanted to be ready for the inevitable written exams. Anyway, they are a very dry watch, but after watching them (5 days) and taking the computerized testing software that came with it (1 day) I took the test the next day and made a 92. The dvd's cost about 300 smackers, so I justified it b/c I wouldn't have to drive to Jax or ATL and get a hotel or anything.

 

[CapnVegetto]

I did mine. Cracked a book maybe a total of 30 mins. Went there, did their computer program for a few hours, made a 92. I swear by it!! If you want a quick and easy ATP written passed, by all means, do it. It's GREAT.

 

[Tram]

I've given the exam maybe 40 times, never seen anyone not pass with above an 80.. well.. there was this 1 guy.. but he didn't count.. he SCORED like a 72 and was thrilled.....

editted per grammar nazi suggestion..

 

[AlabamaMan!!]

I'm sorry but I have to be a jerk for a second.

You make a pizza, sandwich, etc.

How do you make a 92? Do you say, "man, USC just made a touchdown?"

No...when taking tests, you SCORE a certain percentile, you didn't make or made it.

 

[Tram]

Umm.. wow.. I bet if we put coal in your butt you could MAKE a diamond..

 

[AlabamaMan!!]

At least you used the word in a correct sentence.

 

[dash8driver]

i did my ATP and FE writtens thru ATP. i SCORED in the 90's for both tests and i was tired and hung over both days.

hint: dont go to a location where you have friends you havent seen in a long time.




.

 

[TankerPuke]

Any words on getting the rating as well...

PUKE

 

[Catnhat]

Is the written prep at ATP all self study? Is there actually any instruction or review with an instructor, or are you just paying for access to their computers and sorted questions?

For anyone with experience with both, better than Gleim? Why?

 

[NYCPilot]

ATP will get you a pretty decent score but those tests are almost rigged. You can walk in with never having looked at an ATP prep book and still pass in the high 80's or 90's after a few hours of study. THey narrow down questions and from what Ive heard, the answers are in some of the books penciled in. You wont learn a thing, except memorize the exact questions you'll get on the test.

 

[Tram]

ATP takes the ATP test bank and throws out anything that's not a 121 question..

We try to clean out the books so there are no penciled in answers, but the book is thick - hard to find some of the stuff..

Tankerpuke - I have had several ATP guys - they all passed.. I have seen a few not.. It just depends on your ability to fly the plane.. I know 3 examiners who do the ride and each one focuses on something totally different than the others..

 

[dash8driver]

there are no instructors. they've taken out all the questions that you wont be asked (dispatcher questions, etc). then you just sit in front of the computer and run through the questions, rote is the operating principle here. so yes, you're just getting access to their computers and sorted questions.

its true that sometimes there are things circled in the book. however, as on any test its not a good idea to trust the anonymous idiot that took the test before you. you dont know why he circled it or if he was even right.

 

[Tram]

Yeh, he's right.. there are no instructors..

Basically it goes like this... You show up at 8am.. pay for the prep and then are shown a computer, how to use it, where the coffee can be found, where the bathrooms are, how to click a mouse.. from 8am until 6pm you are free to study..

At 6pm an instructor will appear out of no where and let you take your test..

 

[NYCPilot]

its true that sometimes there are things circled in the book. however, as on any test its not a good idea to trust the anonymous idiot that took the test before you. you dont know why he circled it or if he was even right.

If you're using the book as you go along the practice questions, you'll know which answers circled are the correct ones.

I kind of question the legitimacy of the ATP method of passign that test. I actually studied for that exam and went throguh all of the questions including the formulas until I knew them. This took a few weeks of part-time studying, but I felt like I earned my score of 99.

I also do realize it is meaning less too. All of these FAA tests are a joke.

 

[dash8driver]

If you're using the book as you go along the practice questions, you'll know which answers circled are the correct ones.

that works if you get to keep the same book you studied with. i see here many people took the test in the same day. when i did mine (atp and fe) they had you study all day and come back the next morning to take the test, then study for the next test only to take it the next day as well. i dont know if its just the way they do it at that location (SEA) or what.

 

[Tram]

NYCPilot - I understand what your saying completely.. I totally agree that one should know the information and understand the subject matter..

However - if ATP's legitimacy should be questioned, so should Gleim's Prep, King's Prep and Sheffields Prep.. Afterall, they are all the exact same thing - they tell you the answers to the exact questions you will be asked, except ATP and Sheffields Prep take out the questions you don't need to study..

Writtens are a "hoop" or a "box" that we must all either jump through or check...

As far as circles in a book, it happens, but like someone else said - who's going to follow the advice of some random guy who writes in a book, and if the answer is circled and you know it's the correct answer - then you must have learned something to know that the other person chose correctly..

The only information that needs to be "learned" are the loading questions and some of the performance stuff - of which, I think these are the smaller covered subjects on the test..

 

[NYCPilot]

The question bank provided by ATP is much narrower than one you might encounter at a Laser or Cats vendor. I took the 121 and got almost all 135 perfomance, IFR trip, w/b and aircaft questions. Very few 121.

All I'm saying is that they do you a favor by being able to eliminate a large chunk of questions for the actual test. This is soemthing you're not afforded elsewhere.

For those who want to get it out of the way, go to ATP. You're assured a passing score.

 

[millhouse21]

Actually, I believe the test itself is the same one no matter where you take it. The difference is that ATP goes through the question bank and sorts out only those questions that ever get asked on the test. Like someone else said, it like 30% of them. That's what you're paying the $290 for.