ATP Written, 121 or 135

[DAS at 10/250]

Does the 121 ATP Written supercede the 135 written?

Does a record of which exam you took show up on the PRIA?

I'm 91 corp for a while, 121 years later if SWA will offer a job. I really don't feel like learning 72/737 EPR, etc. while flying a 'Joe. The 1900 stuff looks more applicable down the road with a King Air.

Suggestions, comments, scoldings appreciated.


P.S. Did the search, no luckie for those who want to post "Do a search dumba@@ it's been answered a 1000 times!"

 

[sweptback]

I don't believe you can take a written test twice, assuming you passed the first time.

Also, 135 or 121, it's an ATP written. I can guarantee that an employer won't care which one you took, nor could they really -- since you passed it you can't take it over again.

Take whichever you're more familiar with. If you're undecided, take the 121, it won't hurt. Just memorize the performance/w&b questions anyway.

 

[pilotyip]

No difference

Our FAA POI has given a number of ATP rides under 121 to pilots with a 135 ATP written test.

 

[bobbysamd]

ATP Written

It makes no difference to your examiner which ATP written you take. Take the one that is easiest for you. The only thing that matters to an employer who wants applicants to have the ATP is that you have yours. The employer could care less which written you took.

Good luck with the ATP written.

 

[Peace]

when does a atp written expire

hi guys

i took my atp written about 2 years ago, does it ever expire. i heard if you have a job as a first officer or a 135 job , the written is valid still.

any input
peace

 

[wingnutt]

All ATP's dosent even offer the 135 written, if that tells you anything

 

[Ralgha]

All ATP's dosent even offer the 135 written, if that tells you anything

Nope doesn't say anything. Pilot mills are going to pick one, not both. It makes it easier and faster to churn out the pilots.

 

[pilotyip]

Written does not expire at 135

If you have continuous employment at a 121 or 135 certificate holder with employment starting before your ATP written expires it is good fas long as you are employed at that company. Some POI's will allow for breaks in employment, but it cann not be counted upon. Another option is go take your ATP checkride in a SEL, it was the easiest check ride I ever took. I know the SEL ATP does not open many doors, but you nevertake the written angain and you can put ATP on your resume. Then the first time you take a MEL type rating your ATP becomes a MEL ATP.

 

[jschroed]

If any doubt do the 121.

 

[Bluto]

There is no doubt. It doesn't matter which one you take. I don't even think the written results say which one you take. The only reason there are two versions is that the FAA figured it wouldn't be fair to ask an upgrading King Air FO questions about the 727, just as it wouldn't be fair to ask a guy who had only flown heavies king air questions. That's all. It really doesn't matter.

Pilotyip,
I'm interested in your source for the "...continuous employment at a 121 or 135 certificate holder with employment starting before your ATP written expires..." part.

As I read part 61 it only states:
...to be eligible for a practical test for a certificate or rating issued under this part, an applicant must: (among other things) Pass the required knowledge test within the 24-calendar-month period preceding the month the applicant completes the practical test, an applicant for an airline transport pilot certificate or an additional rating to an airline transport certificate may take the practical test for that certificate or rating with an expired knowledge test report, provided that the applicant:

(1) Is employed as a flight crewmember by a certificate holder under part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter at the time of the practical test and has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved (training program).

 

[wingnutt]

(1) Is employed as a flight crewmember by a certificate holder under part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter at the time of the practical test and has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved (training program).

...theres your answer right there

 

[A Squared]

Bluto (and Pilotyip)


>>>>>>"Pilotyip,
I'm interested in your source for the "...continuous employment at a 121 or 135 certificate holder with employment starting before your ATP written expires..." part.


That particular regulation has been changed several times. At one time it *did* explicitly require continuous employment. As you point out it doesn't any longer. I think that Pilotyip is thinking of the previous requirement.

 

[minitour]

So you can take your ATP written and as long as you're working for a 135 or 121 company when you take your Practical its okay? Like...it could be 5 years from your written?

-mini

 

[A Squared]

>>>>>>Like...it could be 5 years from your written?

well, there is no time limit specified, so in absence of information to the contrary, I would say there is no time limit.

 

[pilotyip]

Go do the SEL ATP

Don't worry about the test, take the test and then do the SEL ATP. Regs have changed and I do not keep up on those regs and I am not sure the 121 POI's do either.

 

[Big Duke Six]

Take the one that more closely matches what you think you'll be doing when you actually take the practical. If you think you will be flying 135, take the 135 version because it will only increase your working knowledge of 135 regs, and this will obviously benefit you the most. I got my ATP while I was flying 135 and while the 121 test seemed like the better option because that's where I knew I was headed, (and I always like to be prepared!) I felt that I didn't really need to clutter my head at that point in time with stuff like how many flight attendants I would need if I was carrying 124 people versus 175.


Nobody will ever know which one you took, so take the one that will help you the most when you are taking the practical.

 

[LearLove]

Like most above said it doesn't matter which one you take. I say do the 135 one then get the rating. Once your ticket say ATP then nobody cares anyway. In May/June 1999 I did the 135 written and the next week went to ATP's in TTN and knocked out the rating.

I bought the Gliem book stidied the 135 stuff until I had it momorized and took the test at a local communtiy college with a flight program, Cost 36-book, test-30.

I paid cash at ATP's for the rating so that was 975 and the examiner fee of 220.

Total 36+30+975+220=1261 for my ATP.

The most inmortant thing is to get the rating.

Good Luck.

 

[airmedplt]

Riddle me this if anyone can. I took the Airplane ATP written 3 yrs ago. Thing is I fly helos part 135 instead of FW. Is the airplane ATP written still valid since I fly helos 135?


Thanks,

Glenn

 

[Trout]

Yes. You are flying under 135 regs. As long as that continues your written is valid.

 

[Trout]

But...Since I'm not a reg master I would suggest going to propilot.com and asking that question. They will know for sure.


I'm just a line pilot!

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Thanks for all the replies and opinions. I had a guy trying to tell me that the 121 superceded the 135. My thought had always been that once you received your ATP ticket it didn't matter.



Now if I can only convince the examiner that I am of "good moral character" for the ride!



Thanks all.

 

[generaltso]

Has anyone taken the 121 ATP written recently? If so, were there any B1900 questions on it?

Gleim claims that there is a chance that 1900 questions could be asked on the 121 version of the test, wondering if anyone has ever seen this?

 

[DAS at 10/250]

I know a guy that took the 121 test last year and was asked q's on all four types, 72/73/9/1900

 

[jbarton]

I just took the Part 121 written, from www.sheppardair.com - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! I fly Part 135 and don't need the rating, however, I had a chance to add it for free at a recent visit to Flight Safety on the Caravan (grant it, it is a single engine). Anyway, Mike at Sheppard Air is a great guy and this has to be the easiest and cheapest way to pass the written.

 

[jbarton]

No 1900 questions on the 121 written.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Written Retest

I don't believe you can take a written test twice, assuming you passed the first time.

Also, 135 or 121, it's an ATP written. I can guarantee that an employer won't care which one you took, nor could they really -- since you passed it you can't take it over again.

Take whichever you're more familiar with. If you're undecided, take the 121, it won't hurt. Just memorize the performance/w&b questions anyway.

I'm a manager for our testing center. I want to put in my two cents and say that you can indeed retake a test that you have passed inorder to improve your score. I can't recall how long you need to wait, but we just had someone retake their ATP to gain a higher score. So this can be done.

 

[SDCFI]

I'm a manager for our testing center. I want to put in my two cents and say that you can indeed retake a test that you have passed inorder to improve your score. I can't recall how long you need to wait, but we just had someone retake their ATP to gain a higher score. So this can be done.

So if you've passed the written and want to take it again to get a better score or it expired or whatever, do you need a new endorsement to take it again or can you just bring the copy of the one you already took? Can't seem to find any reference in the FAR's.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

You will need to present your previous test results. However, for ATP, you do not need an endorsement. As per AC 8080.6D, an applicant may retest for a higher score 30 days after the inital attempt. The applicant then must surrender the previous test result before retaking the test and the proctor will destroy these results as the new testing results will reflect the official results.


Hope this helps.