ATL Delays, Delays, Delays.....

[atrdriver]

I don't think it was the arrival system as much as the 4 landing runways... but I could be wrong.

May also have something to do with the fact that ATL averages 2642 operations a day and DFW agerages 2019 operations per day. That's 623 more operations/day at ATL, which over a 24 hour period is almost 26 more ops per hour.

 

[sweptback]

May also have something to do with the fact that ATL averages 2642 operations a day and DFW agerages 2019 operations per day. That's 623 more operations/day at ATL, which over a 24 hour period is almost 26 more ops per hour.

...and ATL does it all with 2 runways for landing, which is the point I was trying to make. When I was flying out of DFW, I always hated landing on 13R and the resultant 20 minute taxi back to the gate, but given the choice between that and holding over LGC, I'd pick taxiing any day.

Hopefully it'll get better once the fifth runway opens. But then Delta and Airtran will probably just jack the flights up more and there will be no benefit.

 

[Tomct]

I understand that they have more flights but slowing everyone to 180 150 miles out is not helping anyone either!

 

[ohplease!]

So you're the one.

someone has to do it.

 

[ohplease!]

So you're the one.

yep. that'd be me.

 

[jrav8tor]

:uzi:ATL creates its own problems! Oh do I miss the days at DFW with "Go Fast and 210 @ Dietz! Now that was an arrival system! They were able to move a lot of aircraft with that system!
Who Knows!

Yeah, I bet they could move those a/c.....I just wish we could get rid of the DFW SID's and STAR's so I could lose an inch worth of thickness and a 1/2 lb. in my Jepps! It's not like we fly there anyways. I've never seen so many SID and STAR for one airport!

 

[shamrock]

I just wish we could get rid of the DFW SID's and STAR's so I could lose an inch worth of thickness and a 1/2 lb. in my Jepps! It's not like we fly there anyways.

We do DFW again next month.

We're supposedly getting rid of our NDB approach plates so that would lighten the Jepps up a bit. I'll believe it when I see it though.

 

[601Pilot]

almost always. Not a problem. Same with S/E taxi in AND out at all airports and not starting the APU until on the ground (never in CVG).

Oh yea, I figured someone here was actually trying to save gas. Funny how
some people are trying to save gas and some people are trying to burn extra
gas.

I guess to each his own...........

 

[bailout]

>>yep. that'd be me.<<

Putz.......

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Burn extra gas just to hurt the bottom line. As if that's actually going to make a statement. Brilliant.

 

[ohplease!]

>>yep. that'd be me.<<

Putz.......

peckerhead........

 

[atrdriver]

peckerhead........

Waiting on that bonus from management for saving a few pounds of gas?

 

[Nindiri]

Don't know about you guys, but I taxi SE and descend efficiently for myself. Every pound of gas I save is one more available to me when the weather goes to crap.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

On an off note....has anyone been doing the 4.0 degree descent!?!?

Tried it the other day according to the new revision. It states to fly at "idle" and adjust your descent rate to maintain a 4 degree glide path. Ok, so I do this and by the time we get from the upper 30's to the upper teens all of our airspeed has gone away. I wouldn't mind the 4 degree descent as long as we could adjust the power to be 10 below the barber pole.

 

[sweptback]

On an off note....has anyone been doing the 4.0 degree descent!?!? quote]

Tried it the other day according to the new revision. It states to fly at "idle" and adjust your descent rate to maintain a 4 degree glide path. Ok, so I do this and by the time we get from the upper 30's to the lower 20's all of our airspeed has gone away. I wouldn't mind the 4 degree descent as long as we could adjust the power to be 10 below the barber pole.

Yeah, you really have to keep a touch of power in (500ish pph per side) to keep the airspeed up at barber pole-10. If they truely want us to fly power-idle descents, it would take more like a 5-6 deg. descent to keep the speed right at barber pole with idle thrust, and there's no way I'd feel comfortable doing that. I know I've done a 5 deg. descent before (not intentionally) and still had to bump some power in to keep the thing sped up.

One thing's for sure, as pathetic as this airplane is at climbing, it sure does descend well. Nice to know if you're ever left up high and need to get down.

 

[Tomct]

One thing's for sure, as pathetic as this airplane is at climbing, it sure does descend well. Nice to know if you're ever left up high and need to get down.[/quote]


Not on the 700! We climb like a "Raped Ape!!" Gotta love that 12-15 degrees nose up action!

 

["GO AROUND"]

Is this the 50 or 70 and How light were you? I don't think it was meant as an all the time procedure. All the 4 degree descents in the 50 I've done lately havn't reduced my airspeed at flight idle power, but they were 14, 16, or 18K changes in altitude. Of couse you can't pull the power to idle on all four degree descents and expect to hold your speed. A 3 or 4 thousand foot descent at 4 degrees is only 1500 to 1800 fpm.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Is this the 50 or 70 and How light were you? I don't think it was meant as an all the time procedure. All the 4 degree descents in the 50 I've done lately havn't reduced my airspeed at flight idle power, but they were 14, 16, or 18K changes in altitude. Of couse you can't pull the power to idle on all four degree descents and expect to hold your speed. A 3 or 4 thousand foot descent at 4 degrees is only 1500 to 1800 fpm.

My example was in the 70. Descending out of FL370 for some lower altitude which I can't remember exactly. The new POH change states to do this descent at flight idle, however you cannot maintain your airspeed while continually adjusting for a 4 degree path. We went from Mach .82 initially to 280 knots when we reached our crossing restriction in the "teens".

 

[cforst513]

i listened to a lear get it's clearance from jax approach to atlanta and you shoulda heard the dejected sound in his voice when he couldn't take off for another 90 minutes...

 

["GO AROUND"]

Don't get to see .82 much in the 50. It's all relative, I use it when it works.