ATI, Info

[Victor Meldrew]

Potential FNG's worried about international trips? That is quite a laugh. You got to do your turn in the barrel in Toledo. I've sat behind some of you new guys fresh from the commuters and elsewhere on your first overwater crossing. It's a bit scary. I've beenwith one you new guys who've rarely crossed one or two time zones on his first trip to africa. Absolutely amazed that the captain is trying to gt the exchange rate for dollars to doobers down as low as he can, while waving fistfulls of money at the ground handler, and I'm bribing the fuel truck driver with a case of coke, so that he can find our fueling authorization. It's a different world. The aircraft are as well equipped as an 8 can be. But remember we are dragging this thing screaming into the 21st century. Only a basic autopilot. No fancy bells and whistles. Just the engineer politely asking you "What in the F***k are you doing?". As for hauling boxes versus paxs...Are you frigging kidding???? That doesn't even need a reply.

Are the good old days of being a LM on the 8's in Africa - $$ bills, cartons of smokes and a lot of shouting just to get them to do anything!!

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Ahhhh the good old days!! Having to lay on the floor of the van from the airport, HKNA, to the hotel!! Bribing the ground crew with the chocolate bars from catering, using my own AMEX for fuel, watching the fireworks from FL210, hoping we were high enough, enroute to HSSJ early in the morning, coming back in the afternoon and seeing all of the burning tanks and trucks.
T/O and LDG on all the fun Red Cross strips hoping they got all the mines out.
Yeah, the good old days!!

 

[speedbird1974]

How much time do you spend away from home? Is it two weeks on and two weeks off?
Also, what are the updgrade times?

 

[Floyd94]

I'd also like to know more, I've been trying to get on with these guys for the last year.

 

[haulingthemail]

It's like this, first worry about getting the interview not the upgrade. It's a long time before you upgrade with only 3khrs. Second schedules, theres a mix of time on and off. If you are worried about being gone 2wks, then any heavy freighter job you wouldn't like. Stay with the commuters if you like your 2 on 2 off stuff.

 

[tk855]

Potential FNG's worried about international trips? That is quite a laugh. You got to do your turn in the barrel in Toledo. I've sat behind some of you new guys fresh from the commuters and elsewhere on your first overwater crossing. It's a bit scary. I've beenwith one you new guys who've rarely crossed one or two time zones on his first trip to africa. Absolutely amazed that the captain is trying to gt the exchange rate for dollars to doobers down as low as he can, while waving fistfulls of money at the ground handler, and I'm bribing the fuel truck driver with a case of coke, so that he can find our fueling authorization. It's a different world. The aircraft are as well equipped as an 8 can be. But remember we are dragging this thing screaming into the 21st century. Only a basic autopilot. No fancy bells and whistles. Just the engineer politely asking you "What in the F***k are you doing?". As for hauling boxes versus paxs...Are you frigging kidding???? That doesn't even need a reply.

I am just curious, if you have some much knowledge and experience why are you still sitting sideways plumbing the thing? Why haven't you moved into the right seat? I have heard about "some" of the engineers at ATI not being able to hack the right seat. Just curious, not looking to offend.

 

[haulingthemail]

I am just curious, if you have some much knowledge and experience why are you still sitting sideways plumbing the thing? Why haven't you moved into the right seat? I have heard about "some" of the engineers at ATI not being able to hack the right seat. Just curious, not looking to offend.

I don't know what his story is, but alot of PFE are just that. PFE's. Just to inform you a PFE doesn't have to have a pilots certificate to fly the panel just an A&P. Which if you had one you would know these things. So before you are so quick to to judge who can hack what, know what you are talking about. I'd like to see your 2,000 hrs of experience hack it.

 

[AV8700]

I don't know what his story is, but alot of PFE are just that. PFE's. Just to inform you a PFE doesn't have to have a pilots certificate to fly the panel just an A&P. Which if you had one you would know these things. So before you are so quick to to judge who can hack what, know what you are talking about. I'd like to see your 2,000 hrs of experience hack it.

Wow, everyone there have the pleasant attitude like you?

 

[speedbird1974]

I think haulingthemail is the only one. Chear up man!

 

[tk855]

Haulingthemail is ex Eagle, he was an absolute tool there as well. Good riddance! Look at the guys profile, there are other certificates listed beside FE. I am well aware of what an FE certificate allows you to do. Thank you though for your condescending, infantile response.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

I don't know what his story is, but alot of PFE are just that. PFE's. Just to inform you a PFE doesn't have to have a pilots certificate to fly the panel just an A&P. Which if you had one you would know these things. So before you are so quick to to judge who can hack what, know what you are talking about. I'd like to see your 2,000 hrs of experience hack it.

Thats right. Alot of these kids who fly the rj's for the commuters have never seen or flown a 3man aircraft (dc-10, 727, dc8, 747, etc...) and don't understand how importand the FE's position is.

tk855: These aircraft are not flying computers like the new aircraft are. You must fly 'em and move the switches yourself. Steam guages and all. Very much hands on. And also, not everybody who is flying the panel desires to move up to the front seat. Alot of flight engineers aren't even pilots at all.

 

[speedbird1974]

The FE is the FO best friend!!

 

[haulingthemail]

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[DC-8_FR8]

I think haulingthemail is the only one. Chear up man!

Yup, our ratio of cool guys is very high.

 

[haulingthemail]

I have a very good attitude. What I don't like to see is these kids bashing the PFE's. example from an earlier post by tk855"I am just curious, if you have some much knowledge and experience why are you still sitting sideways plumbing the thing? Why haven't you moved into the right seat? I have heard about "some" of the engineers at ATI not being able to hack the right seat. Just curious, not looking to offend"