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Jim said:When HAL pilots were under the threat of an 1113c motion during Hawaiian's bankruptcy, ALPA national left it entirely up to the HAL pilots to either accept the TA or reject it and go to court. We rejected the first TA and ALPA national spent a lot of time and money preparing for the trial. It was only a much improved revised TA that was agreed to by both sides on the court house steps minutes from the trial starting that stopped the preceedings. HAL pilots/HAL ALPA recieved nothing but outstanding support for their desires/decisions from ALPA national. ALPA national's position was whatever HAL ALPA wanted it to be.
That's my point. It's not ALPA national that accepted the concessions, it was the ATA pilots. ALPA national provides resources and advise. It is up to the individual pilot groups to decide their own path. If the pilot group rejects ALPA national's advise, they will still get supported.datafox said:I hate to say it, but I think HAL pilots are a different breed than ATA. Not trying to burn any bridges here but I think ATA's concessionary history speaks for itself. Four voluntairy concessions in 13 months. If I only knew back then what I know about ATA now.
Pilotbob3 said:when is enough enough for those YES men at ATA? awful.....it would be laughable if it wasn't so sad that those guys keep voting yes....sheesh
ATA73Pilot said:Predictable...
The majority of the "100K+ Club" voted to protect what they had.
Fear of the unkown provided the the rest of the YES votes needed.
The company now has the ablity to come back with another 1113(c) filing in the future and repeat the process all over again.
This pilot group continues to support a management that governs through fear and misrespresentation.
I keep wondering how low it must get here before the pilots say "Enough is Enough!"
Apparently we haven't reached that point yet....although it is funny to hear the Yes Voters say "That was It..No More" (at least until the next time).
Sad.
Pickle said:Yes, and let us not forget the newly minted members of the 100K club (FE/FOs, I mean FE/CAs, err, I mean can we even mention the term "Engineer" with these guys?) and their compatriots who are chomping at the bit to occupy my and 165 or so other displaced captains seats.
Just a few engineers my aching backside.
Thanks Erik!!!! Enjoy that condo in Hawaii.
That's my point. It's not ALPA national that accepted the concessions, it was the ATA pilots. ALPA national provides resources and advise. It is up to the individual pilot groups to decide their own path. If the pilot group rejects ALPA national's advise, they will still get supported.