Ata Or Awa???

[captain]

Say both call around the same time and you get offers from both ATA and AWA? You would have to commute for either job, what would you do?

I am dreaming up this scenario of course!

 

[furloughfodder]

AWA

 

[propjob27]

ATA.

Pay is substantially better.
Better work rules.
Lots of international flying on the 757 and L-1011.

 

[Pickle]

ATA.

 

[rudderdog]

Say both call around the same time and you get offers from both ATA and AWA? You would have to commute for either job, what would you do?

I am dreaming up this scenario of course!

Well....if you commute from STL, go with AWA. From anywhere else in the country, go with ATA.

 

[furloughfodder]

ATA.

Pay is substantially better.
Better work rules.
Lots of international flying on the 757 and L-1011.

I am just not a fan of the debt load (even though it has been pushed back to 2009)

Pay is better for now. But as we all know, if management asks for concessions from the pilot group this is the first thing to go, so DO NOT go someplace because of pay. ALPA is notorious for caving in on pay issues.

Work rules are similar, AWA actually has better work rules with the new contract.

International flying is subjective. Some people like it, others do not.


Good luck!

 

[NDPILOT]

What int'l routes does ATA...I wasn't aware they flew international.?.

The scenario you dreamt up would be a nice one to have!!

 

[furloughfodder]

International Charter, mostly Military work.

What int'l routes does ATA...I wasn't aware they flew international.?.

The scenario you dreamt up would be a nice one to have!!

 

[propjob27]

I disagree about not going somewhere because of money. I think compensation is a VERY important point. Why the hell else do you go to work??

ATA:

For someone starting today: (737/757 rates)

Year 0-1 FO 37.50/hr
Year 1-2 FO 69.28
Year 2-3 FO 86.06
Year 3-4 FO 95.01
Year 4-5 FO 104.06

Year 4-5 Capt 158.35
Year 12+ Capt 187.24

Domestic Perdiem $2.00, International Per Diem $2.40
Some reserve work rules:

2/hr reserve callout lines have 14 days off
12/hr reserve callout lines have 12 days off

Keep in mind our contract is "old" and is expected to get better in July of '05.

As far as debt load, who knows if either company will be around in 30 years. That's just a chance you take in this business. Good luck either way.

 

[Pickle]

Scheduled International

NDPILOT said: "What int'l routes does ATA...I wasn't aware they flew international"

In addition to the military international stuff, we do passenger charter to lots of international places, Ambassadair out of IND does lots of international, and we do scheduled service from MDW-GCM, MDW-CUN, MDW-AUA, MDW-MBJ, MDW-ZIH, MDW-PVR, MDW-GDL, LAX-CUN, SFO-CUN, IND-CUN. Also service to SJU and Hawaii, but that is not actually international.