ATA Lowers Bar

[FreightNazi]

I believe that HUCK statement is true. Whether or not you fly a 767, 757 at UPS or DAL or AA or UAL the view points of all the MGTS, is that your pay should be in comparission to your peers or other labor cost for the same type of work.

One small detail for UPS. UPS management has continually said that we are NOT an airline. This company makes nearly $4 BILLION in profit a year, why should we compare ourselves to the pax carriers? We are in a totally seperate business, you guys fly planes as your sole service, we fly planes as a relatively small ( although highly profitable ) part of a global transportation/logistice company. It's totally an apples to oranges comparison to think that UPS/FedEx should be compared to the pax carriers in terms of pay and benefits.

 

[atafan]

Man, did this thread get hijacked!

JD, I mean TZFO, all airlines have their 10% and you are a proud member.

If you are so convinced we are duped and screwed and have no faith in ATA or SWA please leave and don't spoil the reputation of the rest of the fine ATA pilots.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Maybe the glory days of the passenger airlines, but definately not the large cargo airlines. FedEx, fat pension plan. UPS modest pension plan, soon to get much fatter!

"Glory" and "cargo airlines" should not be used in the same sentence.

 

[FreightNazi]

"Glory" and "cargo airlines" should not be used in the same sentence.

Maybe not, just replace "glory" with "profitable"!

 

[B73av8r]

FedEx, UPS - Here guys, go chat it up about raising the bar in - Cargo

 

[TZFO]

ATA LOA passes by 80%

Didnt mean to step on so many feet.

 

[atafan]

TZFO,

Reality.

You do not have a touch.
Every company in a the world has some .

 

[MLBWINGBORN]

Nazi..

Its like dating a woman that has cheated on every man shes been with.

You so hope that it wont happen to you..

But history has shown that sooner or later it will happen to you.

And no matter how much you want to believe it wont..

Sooner or later it will.

Its just a matter of time.

 

[FreightNazi]

Nazi..

Its like dating a woman that has cheated on every man shes been with.

You so hope that it wont happen to you..

But history has shown that sooner or later it will happen to you.

And no matter how much you want to believe it wont..

Sooner or later it will.

Its just a matter of time.

I NEVER said the either UPS or FedEx were immune from a downturn at sometime in the future. The point is that both UPS and FedEx are VERY profitable, and there is NOTHING on the horizon that SHOULD keep that from continuing. I don't know about FedEx, but at UPS since 9-11, while the pax carriers have been in the biggest slump in history, UPS has made record profits. UPS and i'm assuming FedEx does too, charges a fuel surcharge. I'd go out on a limb and say that the surcharge more than covers the fuel price increase, so that the higher the fuel price is the MORE money UPS makes.

You can turn your post back on yourself and say when is it SWA's turn? I'm fairly certain that I can say that SWA's turn will come long before UPS' or FedEx's.

 

[L10PILOT]

Listen. I'm not happy about giving 20% either. Nobody is. Remember, it isn't forever. But, if it will show the "new management" that we are in this together, then let's give it a shot. Given the fact that ATA almost closed their doors a few times over the past few months, the codeshare with SWA is a welcomed benefit. THEY know how to run an airline.

 

[BEXFlyer]

Hey freightNAZI,

If your in a totally separate business than the PAX airlines, why don't you go to a totally separate message board. By any chance are you under 5' 5'' tall? Just curious.

 

[fr8dog700]

You are indeed different. UPS and FedEx will make the jump to operating unmanned aircraft far sooner than any passenger airline.

amen stop! you truly understand the future!

we will all be.... talkin' bout...glory Days

 

[TZFO]

We're in this now for 4 more mos.
Time to let Dennison shine, his chance is here.
Many careers, families, etc are depending on him. Let's hope he's right.

 

[HalinTexas]

Denison is short term. He is the CRO not the CEO, that's coming this summer. The new CEO, whoever that is, will have a vision, any vision, for our future.

 

[gearup5]

I hope denison tries to help Chicago Express. The shutdown date at the end of March has limited our options and given 600 employees and 600 families (yes regional pilots have families) a very bleek future. A stay of execution at a minimum would give us a chance to be sold or at least find other jobs.

I hope ATA does make it to the summer. I don't think anyone wants to see you guys loose any jobs.If the pay cuts keep you alive, great. 39 days left here at Chicago Express and counting.

 

[capt. megadeth]

We're in this now for 4 more mos.
Time to let Dennison shine, his chance is here.
Many careers, families, etc are depending on him. Let's hope he's right.

Dennison shine? I think he is part of the reason C8 is closing down. He can go to he!! for all I care. I am sure he really gives a crap about ATA...all he cares about is lining his pockets with the money that's left along with the rest of ATA's management.

 

[L10PILOT]

Well unfortunately SWA does not want turboprops. That is what Denison has said. It is very unfortunate that they don't keep C8. One million passengers/year isn't anything to sneeze at. I think SWA/ATA's plan is to get rid of any excess, and they feel C8 is excess (whether we feel it is or isn't). I wish all the C8 pilots and families well and good luck.

 

[gearup5]

I don't want a turboprop either. But you deal with what you have. 1 million passengers a year via turboprop or 0 via nothing.With the company being strapped for cash it does not make sense to cut off one of your cheapest forms of revenue.

One other thing that does not sit well. Prior to filing bankruptcy C8 had close to 15 million in the bank. Shortly after filing the account read negative.I know it is robbing peter to pay paul but it sucks that we had to finace big georges mistakes.

I appreciate the well wishes.

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[Wesb737fo]

Hey C8 guys,

I think it is a shame the way things have worked out. I used to ride C8 alot, until I moved to Chicago. I used to see alot of folks riding with me that are now finding other airlines in the cities you served. Megadeth, I hope by some miracle that all you guys don't lose your jobs, but let's no be so quick to send Mr. Dennison to the lower depths of Dante's Inferno. There was no alternative.

SWA is holding all the cards. I don't know what the truth is, but in a few months I will be right behind you in the unemployment line if the CRO (Dennison and all) don't find a way to generate more revenue. Good luck to all the C8 people.

Wes