ATA Can Thank FedEx for Its Untimely Demise

[On Your Six]

Hey ATA pilots,

EDITED for MORONS like Zipperhead.

Read this excerpt from an article related to ATA's shut down:

"ATA said in a statement that the cancellation of a critical agreement with FedEx Corp. for most of the airline's charter business left it unable to offset exorbitant fuel prices.

That agreement gave ATA a significant share of the airlift contracts to fly military members and their families overseas, ATA said. FedEx told ATA that that agreement would end when the government's 2009 fiscal year begins in October. "This termination is a full year earlier than the term specified in a letter of agreement between FedEx and ATA," the airline's statement said. FedEx officials could not be reached for immediate comment."

Here's the link to the article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080403/ap_on_bi_ge/ata_bankruptcy

Man, this is a tough business... Sure, ATA may have died regardless due to high fuel and the slowing economy (less consumer spending on trips, etc.), but this type of backstabbing can be rough - but I guess FedEx's management would just say "it is just business"...

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Are you kidding? As if FedEx pilots had ANYTHING to do with this ATA decision.

 

[FDJ2]

Hey ATA pilots,

Next time you see a Fedex pilot, make sure you wave and thank them (their management) for hastening your employer's early demise.

It's not the fault of the FEDEX pilots. That was a corporate decision.

If you want to lodge a protest, don't use FEDEX, use USPS , DHL or UPS.

 

[ferlo]

Idiotic thread of the day...

 

[On Your Six]

Of course it wasn't the FedEx pilots' fault. Perhaps you should re-read what I stated (their management). I don't think most people were aware that FedEx had anything to do with it...

Lighten up Francis...

 

[Zipperhead]

Hey ATA pilots,

Next time you see a Fedex pilot, make sure you wave and thank them (their management) for hastening your employer's early demise. Why would I say that? Read this excerpt from an article related to ATA's shut down:

"ATA said in a statement that the cancellation of a critical agreement with FedEx Corp. for most of the airline's charter business left it unable to offset exorbitant fuel prices.

That agreement gave ATA a significant share of the airlift contracts to fly military members and their families overseas, ATA said. FedEx told ATA that that agreement would end when the government's 2009 fiscal year begins in October. "This termination is a full year earlier than the term specified in a letter of agreement between FedEx and ATA," the airline's statement said. FedEx officials could not be reached for immediate comment."

Here's the link to the article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080403/ap_on_bi_ge/ata_bankruptcy

Man, this is a tough business... Sure, ATA may have died regardless due to high fuel and the slowing economy (less consumer spending on trips, etc.), but this type of backstabbing can be rough - but I guess FedEx's management would just say "it is just business"...

BIGGEST LOSER POST EVER...Yea cause the pilots at FEDEX had a lot to do with this...moron....

 

[On Your Six]

BIGGEST LOSER POST EVER...Yea cause the pilots at FEDEX had a lot to do with this...moron....

I am going to edit it you retard because people like you can't fu@king read. I stated Fedex management twice - perhaps you missed that.

 

[ATA For Now!]

Here's how it went down:

Subodh, the ex ATA CEO informed FedEx that ATA would be entering the cargo business. This, for obvious reasons, pissed FedEx off. Subodh "resigned" and Fedex pulled the contract. You can thank him. If you were in Mgmt at FedEx, what would you do? I think the same thing.

Then, UA was going to buy the west coast ops and "give" it to Aloha to continue the code share with United. The BOD at ATA kept jerking around with the price and some other stuff. That, coupled with the economy and oil led UA to take their toys and go home thus leading to both ATA and AQ's demise.

 

[seefive]

If ATA went bankrupt because they lost a few military charters then that company was in a world of hurt to begin with. FedEx is in business to make money and if cancelling an agreement early was legal and helped them make money, then that's exactly what they should have done.

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

Hey ATA pilots,

EDITED for MORONS like Zipperhead.

Read this excerpt from an article related to ATA's shut down:

"ATA said in a statement that the cancellation of a critical agreement with FedEx Corp. for most of the airline's charter business left it unable to offset exorbitant fuel prices.

That agreement gave ATA a significant share of the airlift contracts to fly military members and their families overseas, ATA said. FedEx told ATA that that agreement would end when the government's 2009 fiscal year begins in October. "This termination is a full year earlier than the term specified in a letter of agreement between FedEx and ATA," the airline's statement said. FedEx officials could not be reached for immediate comment."

Here's the link to the article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080403/ap_on_bi_ge/ata_bankruptcy

Man, this is a tough business... Sure, ATA may have died regardless due to high fuel and the slowing economy (less consumer spending on trips, etc.), but this type of backstabbing can be rough - but I guess FedEx's management would just say "it is just business"...

So now FDX corp has to subsidize airlines???

 

[johnsonrod]

So now FDX corp has to subsidize airlines???

It's called Hillary Clinton economics. The wealthy air carriers have to subsidize the poor air carriers. It's a glimpse into the future.... uke:

 

[TZtoSWA]

It's called Hillary Clinton economics. The wealthy air carriers have to subsidize the poor air carriers. It's a glimpse into the future.... uke:

What?

 

[TZtoSWA]

It may be a business decision on FedEx's part. On the flip side, after seeing the personal emotional trauma that my ATA friend and his family is going through today, I am shipping five boxes via UPS.

 

[bigboeings]

So now FDX corp has to subsidize airlines???

Maybe you should get a clue how this military business works before you speak.

 

[pilotyip]

That is the beauty of contracted lift. you don't have to pay when you don't need it. FedEx did the same thinhg to Relient in 2002, they folded on the spot. It is business

 

[seefive]

It may be a business decision on FedEx's part. On the flip side, after seeing the personal emotional trauma that my ATA friend and his family is going through today, I am shipping five boxes via UPS.

Okay......apparently you're an idiot.

 

[TZtoSWA]

Okay......apparently you're an idiot.

Looks like we have found yet another screen name of Tanker Clown's.

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

Maybe you should get a clue how this military business works before you speak.

FDX does a huge amount for the military...every single day...military charters are a huge part of out business...i think u better get a clue!
what's north american anyway?..never heard of it...:laugh:

 

[Zipperhead]

I am going to edit it you retard because people like you can't fu@king read. I stated Fedex management twice - perhaps you missed that.

Then why did you say thank a Fedex pilot you freaking moron???? Loser

 

[bravodude]

Maybe you should get a clue how this military business works before you speak.

maybe you should figure out how much an airline pilot should be paid for flying a widebody around the world. (hint-more then what you make)

By the way dont you belong in the charter forum, see ya later.

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

maybe you should figure out how much an airline pilot should be paid for flying a widebody around the world. (hint-more then what you make)

By the way dont you belong in the charter forum, see ya later.

yeah..what he said!

 

[HalinTexas]

I don't think you can really blame FEDEX managment, either. Certainly not the pilots. They don't make those kinds of decisions.

I put the blame squarely on Gary Elmer, former COO of ATA and Subodh Karnik, former CEO of GAL. They couldn't run a train in circle with directions from an expert.

 

[pipe]

Everyone wants the majors to quit letting others do their flying under contract (Skywest, Mesa, Freesom, etc, etc, ad nauseum)

FedEx Corp takes back some of its flying from a sub-contractor and everyone is pi$$ed! What the hell, over?

This sucks for ATA. I know, I've been through it. There is nothing to say that will console those guys - it just sucks. They are the victims of another case of $hitty CEO roulette. That's it. It ain't FX's fault, it ain't their fault, it ain't even John McCain's fault. It's bad management - as usual.

PIPE

 

[MrCoffee]

For what it's worth, the company that deals with these charters is called Fedex Charter Program. Most people don't even realize it exists. It's not the Fedex Air Charter division.

 

[Wesb737fo]

If ATA went bankrupt because they lost a few military charters then that company was in a world of hurt to begin with. FedEx is in business to make money and if cancelling an agreement early was legal and helped them make money, then that's exactly what they should have done.

Dude.....you should just shut the F up.

 

[Deadalus]

This is stupid. Everyone knows Southwest f#$%ed ATA.

 

[Ex737Driver]

For what it's worth, the company that deals with these charters is called Fedex Charter Program. Most people don't even realize it exists. It's not the Fedex Air Charter division.

Wasn't this a part of Tigers that FEDEX absorbed? If I remember correctly Tigers did a rather large amount of military charter flying and had several 747-200's that were in the full passenger configuration. Once FEDEX bought Tigers, the charter stuff came with. I think they even had a few hundred flight attendants. FEDEX did not want to operate in the pax business and ATA was one of many airlines that bid and flew some form of military charter work for FEDEX.