Astar/ABX -- Teamster or ALPA?

[LarryinTN]

4 DC9 Standards
1 DC8 Standards
1 DC9 Chief

Which ones?

What about the rest of the slots?

 

[Jurassic Jet]

Which ones?

What about the rest of the slots?

All 11 Capts are coming from the left seat of the 9. (Boy, peak seasons gonna be ugly in that seat.)

The 11 FO's break down as follows:

The 6 management pilots as listed earlier plus

2 DC8 FO's
3 DC9 FO's

I'll send a PM with the names.

 

[xspud]

I'll send a PM with the names.

JJ,

Could I get the PM, too?

Thanx

 

[Jurassic Jet]

JJ,

Could I get the PM, too?

Thanx

Done.

 

[inplaneview]

WOW....you ain't kiddin. I just got ahold of the list.

4 DC9 Standards
1 DC8 Standards
1 DC9 Chief

Plus losing 4 Line Check Airman off the 9.

Very wise on these guys part I guess if the company lets them go.

Correct me if I'm wrong...standards pilots and chief pilots are not protected under the collective bargaining agreement and therefore the company can tell them they're staying put if necessary. Losing 4 DC-9 standards pilots seems a little excessive, particularly if a DC-9 captain class needs to occur.

 

[LarryinTN]

That's a lot of DC9 Captains going to the 767!

They still have one 767 CA vacancy as one of the awards is a guy who was already in the August class moving up to the July class. Are they going to post a vacancy for one more 767 CA to fill the seat in the August class?

So, who's left in DC9 Standards? S.R., C.S. B.B. and C.P. all got 767 FO slots. T.P. and who else is left?

 

[Jurassic Jet]

That's a lot of DC9 Captains going to the 767!

They still have one 767 CA vacancy as one of the awards is a guy who was already in the August class moving up to the July class. Are they going to post a vacancy for one more 767 CA to fill the seat in the August class?

So, who's left in DC9 Standards? S.R., C.S. B.B. and C.P. all got 767 FO slots. T.P. and who else is left?

I think that just leaves. G.G., C.O, and "The Mountain"

 

[LarryinTN]

I wasn't counting G.G. as he's busy being "DC9 Customer Service". I forgot C.O. So that's C.O. and T.P. I guess they won't have to worry about staying busy for a while!

 

[GoABX]

I have heard rumors of 2 9c proffers coming soon. Actually, if they were smart instead of having two classes of 2 like they are probably thinking, they should have two classes of 10 or 12 and hope that not too many are awarded to 76FOs. Then depending on how it falls out, reduce the size as necessary if it impacts the 76F seat too much. But in the end does it really matter where you junior man? 9C or 6F.

Management has 2 problems. 1) Recognizing the problem too late and 2) taking too small of action to correct the problem. The pain is here,,,it hurts,,,a slow fix and a quick fix both hurt. So now at least take your medicine and get it over more quickly.

Forget that: Heads 2 classes of 2, Tails 4 classes of 1.

 

[shooter]

Hete can only blame those woes on himself. When Delta and Midwest received notice that they were being looked at for purchase, the FIRST THING both CEO's did was inform all employees and others listening they do NOT want to take the company in that direction. By keeping silent, Hete is telling everyone the while ABX was "not put up for sale", it is for sale at the right price. Even if Goldman Sacks comes back with a price that ASTAR/DHL would not pay, Hete's silent damage is done.

So ABX may be sold, maybe not. But in the end it was a VERY poor choice to create the uneasy/unsecure feeling most ABX employees are feeling as a result of the lack of communication. And he will end up paying for those choices if ABX is not sold.

 

[FreightBumper]

You and me both brother.

But I've got 11 years invested in this place and I ain't no spring chicken. So I'm riding this mule till the mule can't be ridden anymore. I'm sure you feel the same about your own situation.

Peeps, everyone,
However this plays out, there is NO reason Our Two Groups, You and I, everyone, can't make this work. Our Two Groups, You and I, should not be combatants. Every merger I ever read about always seems to be contentious and lopsided. Why is that? Who eventually benefits from a split and divided group? I'll let you all answer that for yourselves.
I know this sounds like a "why can't we all just get along" plea. Well maybe it is. But remember this; Our Two Groups, You and I should not be enemies. The enemies are the ones that sit in their crystal palaces and cabanas with Golden Parachutes strapped to their backs paid for by You, Me, Our Two Groups.

Now pardon me while I slip into my Nomex jammies for the flame fest.

I am an ABX pilot and wholeheartedly agree with you. You will have our support, and it will be given to fullest extent we are able, both physically and legally. I have carried dozens of Astar pilots on the jumpseat and not one ever asked if I would walk their line with them. I think your MEC leadership wanted it that way to fester hard feelings between us so he can push his agenda. I don't have a clue what that might be or why he feels that way. What a concept, just ask for our support out loud. Everyone wants tofeel wanted.

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

Stop the Madness! ! ! !

I am an ABX pilot and wholeheartedly agree with you. You will have our support, and it will be given to fullest extent we are able, both physically and legally. I have carried dozens of Astar pilots on the jumpseat and not one ever asked if I would walk their line with them. I think your MEC leadership wanted it that way to fester hard feelings between us so he can push his agenda. I don't have a clue what that might be or why he feels that way. What a concept, just ask for our support out loud. Everyone wants tofeel wanted.

Thanks FB,

I am comfortable with the knowledge that a great number of your group will do what they can as long as the result is not a night in a jail cell with Bubba. My beef is with the 1224 EB as yours is with 017 MEC. Funny. Is there a pattern here?
Maybe the tail should start wagging dog and 1200 pilots can start kicking some a$$ and taking some names. Now there's a concept.

FAJ

 

[rotor&wing]

I think your MEC leadership wanted it that way to fester hard feelings between us so he can push his agenda. I don't have a clue what that might be or why he feels that way.

I've known our MEC Chairman for 20+ years. He's a stand up guy who doesn't mince words, and he doesn't mind telling you his opinion and standing up for what he feels is the right thing. Our previous 2 MEC Chairman used the position to avoid line flying and stay home while collecting a premium paycheck. Earl remains as a line pilot, and working full time in the MEC. All this while facing what is going to be our ultimate challenge to hold the line.

Right now our management is attempting to use the same slanderous and outrageous diatribe to discredit Earl, just as you guys are attempting to do. They realize Earl will not be bullied or pushed around.

From what I've seen and heard from Ross, you guys need to be looking inside. You have far more problems facing you, and the wrong leader.

Just my opinion.

Oh, and have a nice day!

 

[abxaviator]

I have not criticized your MEC leadership, don't know a thing about the man. Just an observation, seems ironic for you to chastise others for being critical of Earl while in the same post, you criticize 1224 leadership.

 

[Clipperskip]

Leadership issues?

From what I've seen and heard from Ross, you guys need to be looking inside. You have far more problems facing you, and the wrong leader.

Just my opinion.

Oh, and have a nice day! [/quote]

I really don't know what you have "seen or heard" from Dave Ross but I am quite sure he is the right leader for the 1224 group. As far as knowing him, I have know him well for 15 1/2 years and I have found him to be a quality person with the talent to deal with rank and file pilots as well as ABX management. I am not passing judgement on your President because I do not know him but your locals' decision to show the Teamster's logo and the "once a Scab never a Teamster" at your informational picket was a poor choice. I consider myself a moderate but I was quite upset by that move at the same time you are asking for our support. Rest assured "Rotor" you and the rest of the Astar pilots have my support when you need it but please do not threaten me the or my group with "scab talk" or "kick sand in our faces". We really are in this together. Save your harsh words for your management team and the DHL group and I promise to do the same. That is where the criticism is deserved. Let's try and find a way through these petty disagreements and focus our attention where it is needed. Both pilot groups are in need of new labor contracts which address the issues we face as contractors to DHL. If we help each other the process will be much smoother. Imagine how much our management groups would hate that!