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[IFlyFL410]

well, 3 years into it and nothing much is accomplished. Company doesn't want it to be.

 

[AV8700]

Who said anything about sucking as.s? I always crack up when I read the vocal minority getting in a huff. You act like every time you talk to scheduling you get worked over like the little b!tch you are. What, you expect them to worship you because you're the pilot? Yes sir Mr Captain, no sir Mr Captain, here's a reality check. You fly a barbie jet for a regional. You shouldn't expect big boy treatment until you get out of the regionals. Until then, just do your job and quit whining like a little fa.g. I'd probably be over in scheduling for all of 15 minutes before I started hating pilots too. I hear you tool bags talking to them and it's easy to understand why you had problems, you're the ones they hate!

I wouldn't call it a vocal minority. I'd say close to 100% of those that have been on reserve for the last few months. When the airplanes aren't properly staffed than scheduling will try whatever they can to get trips covered. Calls in the middle of the night, finish four day in morning home for 11 hours back that night to start a three day, six on and out flying then one day off then back out for six and only getting 14 hours. DH out the wazzzzzzzzzzzzuuuuuuuuuu. Not to mention never getting any of the days off that showed on your final except the golden days.
I hope your never bumped back into a reserve spot like most of us on the 70. Your attitude would change in a second.

 

[rjcap]

Who said anything about sucking as.s? I always crack up when I read the vocal minority getting in a huff. You act like every time you talk to scheduling you get worked over like the little b!tch you are. What, you expect them to worship you because you're the pilot? Yes sir Mr Captain, no sir Mr Captain, here's a reality check. You fly a barbie jet for a regional. You shouldn't expect big boy treatment until you get out of the regionals. Until then, just do your job and quit whining like a little fa.g. I'd probably be over in scheduling for all of 15 minutes before I started hating pilots too. I hear you tool bags talking to them and it's easy to understand why you had problems, you're the ones they hate!

So let me see if I unerstand you correctly. I should just take whatever crew scheduling dishes out because I fly a " Barbie Jet." When I move up to a "real jet," I can then expect to be treated professionally and can expect crew scheduling to abide by the contract .

Am I correct in interpreting your statement ??

 

[Jungle Prop]

AchilleLauro you are truly a tool in every sense of the word.

 

[~~~^~~~]

AchilleLauro you are truly a tool in every sense of the word.

I'm not sure he is a pilot. Perhaps when they are not answering their phones, the Crew Scheduling clerks are surfing FlightInfo trying to figure out who's talking nasty about them....

Darn, my phone will ring at 2AM this morning for sure now that I posted that. They probably sent the Krean girl to purchase calling cards so they can hide their caller ID.

"Hero Craptin, eh, we have asrignment for yew. Yew to do parrng 312, no er 4127A, dury inn, you come now, OK? Yu no rereased. Yu now stray at arrport. Thank you."

 

[Dumbluck]

big airplanes do not mean better sched's, just farther away for a longer time

 

[Grassstrippilot]

They closed DFW, opened SLC. 3?

Yes 3, but for a different airline. I spent the last 5 years at ACA on the Delta Connection side. Those 3 were (R.I.P.):

1. LGA
2. BOS
3. CVG

As for the reserve question, I was hired in March and didn't have to sit reserve on the 200 out of ATL. But that has to do more with timing than anything else. Those hired a month or so after me were sitting reserve. Not sure how fast it is moving.

Here in SLC, I plan on being on reserve for some time, but reserve at home has actually been really nice (other than not making any money). As posted above, I've hardly been used while my sim partner has flown alot. More than anything, I just try to stay below scheduling's radar.

 

[blueridge71]

Ditto for me.
IAD
CVG
ATL

Four training events in four years, too!
J41
Do Jet
CRJ 200
CRJ 700

As to the contract question, I think that things are already changing for the better since Skywest took over. I don't know if we'll have a TA by the end of the year, but I expect substantial progress.

 

[Smarta$$]

Delta commuting Q

Commuting from MSP on delta, If you work for ASA does delta take unlimited jumpseaters. Or are you treated like a pilot from outside the delta family and limited to two jumpseaters?

 

[Grassstrippilot]

Ditto for me.
IAD
CVG
ATL

Those where just the base closures for me. If you count the change in domiciles, it would be 5 (6 if you count IAD which I never actually worked out of but was assigned to once CVG closed.)

LGA, BOS, CVG, ATL, SLC

You've got me on training though.

I hope you're right about the TA. We'll see.

As for the jump seat question just posted. Delta is one jumpseater per jump seat. Most only have one. As a DCI pilot, you have access to the jumpseat even if you don't participate in CASS. Although I have heard that since Delta put CASS into play, some gate agents have been denying DCI pilots the jumpseat due to them not being in the CASS system. Hopefully that has been worked out.

If you are commuting from MSP to ATL, ASA does service the city from both domiciles. As an ASA pilot, you can call and reserve the jumpseat on ASA flights, first come/ first served. The times I have done it, they have been pretty good about actually listing me for it when I asked. With the expected diminishing of our travel bennies, I hope that the negotiating committee is giving some serious thought about a good commuter clause. It sure takes the stress out of commuting.

 

[Willy21]

Commuting from MSP on delta, If you work for ASA does delta take unlimited jumpseaters. Or are you treated like a pilot from outside the delta family and limited to two jumpseaters?

If you work for ASA you get to non-rev on Delta which is a higher priority than a jumpseater and I think you get priority over off line jumpseaters on the actual jumpseat. I am sure somebody will correct me if I am wrong on that one.

 

[IFlyFL410]

you guys are dreaming if you think there will be a TA by the end of the year. There won't be one by the end of '06.....I guarentee you that.

 

[PalmettoPilot]

you guys are dreaming if you think there will be a TA by the end of the year. There won't be one by the end of '06.....I guarentee you that.

And the sky is falling... Would you care to state your source for this gem? How about just letting us know why you think we should pay attention to your opinion? What's the guarantee anyway?

 

[49W]

And the sky is falling... Would you care to state your source for this gem? How about just letting us know why you think we should pay attention to your opinion? What's the guarantee anyway?

How about the fact that it has taken over 3 years so far and we are not even close to an agreement. We are still fighting with management over non-monetary issues with management continuously making worse-than-current contract proposals. Unless there is a sudden change of heart, there is no end in sight to this.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Cause he's been flyin at 410 a little too long.

 

[79%N1]

How about the fact that it has taken over 3 years so far and we are not even close to an agreement. We are still fighting with management over non-monetary issues with management continuously making worse-than-current contract proposals. Unless there is a sudden change of heart, there is no end in sight to this.

The ONLY time there will be progress in this joke of a "negotiation" is when the mediator declares an impasse in this mess, allows us to self-help and a 30 day cooling off period. Only then will ASA management begin to negotiate serioulsy! Nothing is accomplished at ANY of these negotiation sessions. It is just a big waste of time. I feel for our negotiators, as there hands are tied and management will continue to play games and delay.

I am wondering, is there a record for the longest airline or labor negotiation? We have to be getting close!

 

[PalmettoPilot]

At least you've backed up your opinion with some factual information. All true, however, hasn't there been a significant change in leadership? Doesn't that mean that SkyWest is sending a message that current trends are unacceptable? Is it possible that someone has finally realised that if the work force is so completely turned against the company that performance will spiral? (we're last in almost all measures of performance).

I remain "cautiously optimistic" that the new management team will see the light and respond accordingly at the negotiation table. I'm looking forward to reading the notes from the MEC. The doom and gloomers may be right, but for all of our sakes I hope not.

 

[IFlyFL410]

And the sky is falling... Would you care to state your source for this gem? How about just letting us know why you think we should pay attention to your opinion? What's the guarantee anyway?

You want to know my source?? My source is Me, and any other ASA pilot out there. I've been here plenty long enough to know that there won't be a contract by year's end. Entirely impossible. Company doesn't won't it, and there's too much left to negotiate to even get it done in such little time. You obviously don't know how far behind they are with it and how little has been accomplished.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Just looking at the Sched. section, the company can't imagine giving us the standard items that the majority of carriers have because Scheduling will self implode with the incompetent employees they have working now. They create more problems than they solve, grossly inefficient at the lax conditions they have now. Simply, they don't want to give up the control they have at the time.

Second, the union is writing definitive language in their proposals and the company doesn't want that because they won't be able to reinterperate it to their benifit and our detriment.

They've imposed pay rates and current work rules to get the concessions they keep saying that they have never asked for. Making them look like angles and us the devil for wanting changes for the better in our contract.

 

[Smarta$$]

If you work for ASA you get to non-rev on delta you say? That is still free correct? And it is any open seat? Is that one thing that will change when ASA's travel benefits change or would that likely stay the same? Thanks

 

[IFlyFL410]

Yeah, DEFINITIVE language is what we need, for sure. Just look at what tehy've been doing to reserves in regards to Naps. We've been under this contract sine '98, and now, all of a sudden, tghey decide that it's ok to make guys do 5 naps in a row, more or less!?!?? complete crap.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Probably will change to skywest's benefits which are not as good but nothing to scoff at. Most think it will happen 90 days after acqusition.

 

[IFlyFL410]

If you work for ASA you get to non-rev on delta you say? That is still free correct? And it is any open seat? Is that one thing that will change when ASA's travel benefits change or would that likely stay the same? Thanks

yeah, for right now, we all fly for free in any open seat there may be. Whoever gets the open seat is based on a Date of Hire senority basis between us, Comair, and Delta. As if we're all on one big list...hmm, how about that!?!?!?

 

["GO AROUND"]

5 in a row? havn't seen that. I've seen guys do 3 naps and a 2 or 3 day following. I heard the company wants 4 naps in a row in our new contract.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Don't get that topic started!!

 

["GO AROUND"]

410, have you flown at another airline besides ASA?

 

[IFlyFL410]

5 in a row? havn't seen that. I've seen guys do 3 naps and a 2 or 3 day following. I heard the company wants 4 naps in a row in our new contract.

yeah, I think you're right. I knew they were doing 3 naps followed by something else. I thought I'de heard something about naps in there, but I for sure have heard what you're talking about with the 2 or 3 days being added. Thanks for the clarification, although that still doesn't make it right.

 

["GO AROUND"]

I think it's the biggest crock. Nelson should be rolling over in his grave for lying like he did.

 

[IFlyFL410]

410, have you flown at another airline besides ASA?

ALG for almost 2 years, til we had Jets for Jobs dangled out in front of us. Why do you ask?

 

[IFlyFL410]

Fill me in on the NB connection to this. I know there's some controversy (sp?) there.