ASA/Xjet/Skywest: One list

[Chaz]

There is a lot of talk within the Skywest pilot ranks about us joining ASA/Xjet as ONE pilot group. Most of us can agree that we have to do something. But a lot of us say that right now is not a good time to do something, that we should wait and see how all of this madness with mergers and FAA rule changes plays out.

One list? You mean actually do something to improve our zero leverage? Take away the whipsaw option? I don't know... Sounds kind of crazy. I say we just wait a while. Let's wait until we have Sarah or Newt in office. Let's wait until inflation and increased cost of living make us poor. Let's wait until 15 hour 4 days are standard. Let's wait until healthcare premiums get so high that we all just resign ourselves to CDHP. Let's wait for the company to to do the right thing. And while we're at it, let's continue to fight each other every step of the way. Skywest pilots Vs. Asa/xjet. Junior pilots Vs. senior. Regional pilots Vs. legacy pilots. I bet the execs and board members are just loving this.*****

What's the difference between a rich shareholder and a pilot? The shareholders help each other. They stick together. They pool their money and throw it at problems. Some say that the strategy, with regard to labor, is to divide and conquer. But in our case, we divide ourselves. We are conquered. Maybe we should do something about that. Or we can just wait a while.

 

[the palm]

First thing you need to do is unionize, then we will talk.

 

[Erlanger]

There is a lot of talk within the Skywest pilot ranks about us joining ASA/Xjet as ONE pilot group. Most of us can agree that we have to do something. But a lot of us say that right now is not a good time to do something, that we should wait and see how all of this madness with mergers and FAA rule changes plays out.

One list? You mean actually do something to improve our zero leverage? Take away the whipsaw option? I don't know... Sounds kind of crazy. I say we just wait a while. Let's wait until we have Sarah or Newt in office. Let's wait until inflation and increased cost of living make us poor. Let's wait until 15 hour 4 days are standard. Let's wait until healthcare premiums get so high that we all just resign ourselves to CDHP. Let's wait for the company to to do the right thing. And while we're at it, let's continue to fight each other every step of the way. Skywest pilots Vs. Asa/xjet. Junior pilots Vs. senior. Regional pilots Vs. legacy pilots. I bet the execs and board members are just loving this.*****

What's the difference between a rich shareholder and a pilot? The shareholders help each other. They stick together. They pool their money and throw it at problems. Some say that the strategy, with regard to labor, is to divide and conquer. But in our case, we divide ourselves. We are conquered. Maybe we should do something about that. Or we can just wait a while.

I'm not opposed to one list but lets not exasgerate here. There isn't alot of talk at Skywest for one list. Someone starts a thread on it on the SAPA Forums and it gets very few mixed responses. We're along ways away at Skywest from reaching a consensus on this or even organizing for another union vote even with this last pay package being voted down.

 

[Chaz]

There's been a lot more talk than that. We've been talking about it since the ASA acquisition. But I agree that we are a long way from consensus on anything.

 

[SSDD]

How the merits of one list can be debated is amazing to me. The only way we're going to have any leverage is to have the pilots united under one seniority list. The various excuses that are thrown around are selfish and petty. They come right out of the management hadbook: Divide and conquer.

Look at what UA is doing right now. There is no increase in flying, but they are introducing 70 seaters to CO markets to invalidate their scope provisions.

Skywest management is no different, if they can keep us separated they will always have an ace up their sleve.

 

[CX880]

How the merits of one list can be debated is amazing to me. The only way we're going to have any leverage is to have the pilots united under one seniority list. The various excuses that are thrown around are selfish and petty. They come right out of the management hadbook: Divide and conquer.

Look at what UA is doing right now. There is no increase in flying, but they are introducing 70 seaters to CO markets to invalidate their scope provisions.

Skywest management is no different, if they can keep us separated they will always have an ace up their sleve.

How many pilots would this be total? 8000? 9000? It's hard to make that many sing cumbaya.

 

[Chaz]

How many pilots would this be total? 8000? 9000? It's hard to make that many sing cumbaya.

Agreed. Let's just wait. I'm sure the free market will work it all out. Or the government. Or SAPA..

 

[SSDD]

Don't need all 9000...just half + 1.

 

[79%N1]

How many pilots would this be total? 8000? 9000? It's hard to make that many sing cumbaya.

Why do you care? Where do you work again?

 

[JettBoii]

itll never happen

 

[asayankee]

There is a lot of talk within the Skywest pilot ranks about us joining ASA/Xjet as ONE pilot group. Most of us can agree that we have to do something. But a lot of us say that right now is not a good time to do something, that we should wait and see how all of this madness with mergers and FAA rule changes plays out.

One list? You mean actually do something to improve our zero leverage? Take away the whipsaw option? I don't know... Sounds kind of crazy. I say we just wait a while. Let's wait until we have Sarah or Newt in office. Let's wait until inflation and increased cost of living make us poor. Let's wait until 15 hour 4 days are standard. Let's wait until healthcare premiums get so high that we all just resign ourselves to CDHP. Let's wait for the company to to do the right thing. And while we're at it, let's continue to fight each other every step of the way. Skywest pilots Vs. Asa/xjet. Junior pilots Vs. senior. Regional pilots Vs. legacy pilots. I bet the execs and board members are just loving this.*****

What's the difference between a rich shareholder and a pilot? The shareholders help each other. They stick together. They pool their money and throw it at problems. Some say that the strategy, with regard to labor, is to divide and conquer. But in our case, we divide ourselves. We are conquered. Maybe we should do something about that. Or we can just wait a while.

Isn't it funny how this one list call is coming along now that Skywest might actually have their QOL affected with the base transfers/displacements. I didn't hear a single one list request when ASA was forced to close SLC, then close LAX, lost aircraft to OO during negotiations, furloughed twice, downgraded, etc....Skywest pilots didn't want anything to do with the other side then. Now that it's starting to hit home, they are singing a different tune.

 

[Chaz]

Isn't it funny how this one list call is coming along now that Skywest might actually have their QOL affected with the base transfers/displacements. I didn't hear a single one list request when ASA was forced to close SLC, then close LAX, lost aircraft to OO during negotiations, furloughed twice, downgraded, etc....Skywest pilots didn't want anything to do with the other side then. Now that it's starting to hit home, they are singing a different tune.

Nobody made a one list request? To you? Or do you mean SAPA never made a formal request? You saying that Skywest pilots didn't want anything to do with Asa is just flat out wrong. Incorrect, sir. One list or otherwise, I would bet a majority of us at all three airlines would rather deal with INC. as one group. It's obvious that we've missed some opportunities to become unified. So let's stop doing that.

 

[outtahere]

I'm all for it, but the skywest pilots spit in our eye during the last union drive. Before we get one list, you guys have to get with the program and elect a union. Like em or not, if you want to be with us, you have to be union.

 

[Chaz]

Right. That's up to us. WE need to do that. But as we do that, I think the emphasis for all of us should be on unification. We have to start working together or we're done.

 

[Troutbait]

Yep, joining ALPA has done wonders for everyone. Lets pay 2% and be in the same boat ya'll are trying to get out of.

 

[Jetjockey]

Yep, joining ALPA has done wonders for everyone. Lets pay 2% and be in the same boat ya'll are trying to get out of.

Or just stay unorganized and let Jerry do whatever he wants. That sounds like a good option.

 

[badog]

Or, lets form our own union using alpa then boot 'em out. we can still use alpa for consult just like luv. there's nothing in the rule book that says we have to be alpa.

 

[79%N1]

Just the biggest union with the most resources and years of experience representing pilots. Why would we want that? By all means, let's start our own! Sure, that would do well.....

 

[badog]

Just the biggest union with the most resources and years of experience representing pilots. Why would we want that? By all means, let's start our own! Sure, that would do well.....

Well. something is better than nothing and so far, nothing has changed at skywest. Yeah, lets keep paying alpa to sleep with management, look what it has gotten us so far.
We need some real change.
Remember what alpa was willing to do to your 401K when they lost usair?

 

[IBNAV8R]

What Skyw pilots need is unity and even 2% and a new set of letters won't buy that.

 

[Jetjockey]

Well. something is better than nothing and so far, nothing has changed at skywest. Yeah, lets keep paying alpa to sleep with management, look what it has gotten us so far.
We need some real change.
Remember what alpa was willing to do to your 401K when they lost usair?

ALPA becomes an easy target because we all know it's not perfect, but what's your solution?

Unity is the only way to achieve the goals all 3 pilots groups deserve. The irony of it all is the profits and management of all 3 airlines are unified. Jerry loves the fractured groups and probably will do what he can to keep it separate.

 

[badog]

ALPA becomes an easy target because we all know it's not perfect, but what's your solution?

Unity is the only way to achieve the goals all 3 pilots groups deserve. The irony of it all is the profits and management of all 3 airlines are unified. Jerry loves the fractured groups and probably will do what he can to keep it separate.

The solution COULD be to start with alpa at skywest and then form our own union.

 

[Plainsman]

Skywest wont do it because the children are scared they wont upgrade, its numero uno for the valley girls!

 

[79%N1]

Someone explain to me how not having a Union allows for faster upgrades? Upgrades come due to growth or attrition, not whether you have the protections of a union. Are you telling me that your company will have more attrition if if have no union, or your company will be awarded more flying contracts based on you not having a union? Laughable!

 

[outtahere]

I would just like to see all of the anti-union skywest pilots stick to their principal and not go to a union mainline carrier.

 

[bender]

Skywest wont do it because the children are scared they wont upgrade, its numero uno for the valley girls!

If anything the past 3 years have shown that being union or not has no effect of upgrade times or the amount of flying you win in a RFP. That will have no bearing on whether or not SKW votes in a union.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

If anything the past 3 years have shown that being union or not has no effect of upgrade times or the amount of flying you win in a RFP. That will have no bearing on whether or not SKW votes in a union.

Yeah,
But that is one of many Kool-Aid talking points. Those human skid marks who parroted that during the last few union drives are silent now.
PBR

 

[CFIT]

I'm very certain any union drive effort at SkyWest would be happily welcomed.

Things are very different these days.......

 

[rtmcfi]

I'm very certain any union drive effort at SkyWest would be happily welcomed.

Things are very different these days.......

Probably more or less welcomed by Jerry himself. I don't think they are too afraid of ALPA these days. ASA, and Expressjets unions didn't scare him away. I wonder how much money he would give to F&H to fight it this time.

 

[CX880]

Probably more or less welcomed by Jerry himself. I don't think they are too afraid of ALPA these days. ASA, and Expressjets unions didn't scare him away. I wonder how much money he would give to F&H to fight it this time.

I agree. Besides, they've already made so much money. They can now afford for ALPA to come in and divide the pot accordingly. And Skywest can finally pay CRJ9 pilots CRJ9 wages instead of CRJ7. Maybe is CRJ1000 to come.