ASA Wussies

[rightseatjocky]

Get fired up you hypocritical whiny bi(thes. Wanna a new contract do something about it! Stop talking so much $hit on here and other places, grow a set and make something happen. They are YOUR union dues, put them to use...if that means the union gets sued so be it! I hat to say it but not only is Comair more focused and unified, so is MESA. ASA pilots are pathetic!
Instead of flaming away at my post, why don't you STOP. Think about what YOU have done to actually help the company out. Have you picked up open time, have you called for services, have you used your cell phone at all for any company buisness while on a trip, have you called the strike center to get info or to offer your help, have youover looked mx just so you can get home? Think about all these things, if you have done just one of them you don't deserve to respond to this thread. Otherwise fire away:uzi:
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I think someone peed in his wheaties. It's ok, brutha, tomorrow is another day. Take a chill pill.

 

[PCL_128]

Are you agreeing with me that we won't get a release based on our demands?

Your lack of a release has nothing to do with your demands. It has everything to do with an NMB that is hostile to labor and very friendly towards management.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Your lack of a release has nothing to do with your demands. It has everything to do with an NMB that is hostile to labor and very friendly towards management.

PCL,
I disagree. Let's forget our past disagreements and discuss the issue of a release from the NMB. Your position is that our problem is "an NMB that is hostile to labor and very friendly towards management". IF that is true, how did Polar, World, and Mesaba get releases.

Polar was released by this NMB in Sept. '05 after 2 yrs. 7 months of negotiating. They went on strike.

World was released by this NMB in Jan. '06 after 2 yrs. 7 months of negotiating. They went on strike.

Mesaba was released by this NMB in Jan. '04 after 2 years 7 months of negotiating. Agreement was released after strike deadline past.

Here are 3 examples, of the current Republican controlled NMB, releasing pilot groups into a cooling off period after 2 years 7 months of negotiating.

In 1998, the ASA group was negotiating with a Democratic controlled NMB and an NMB Chairwoman that was a former AFA MEC Chairwoman. We were parked based on our "demands".

I don't want to get into an argument of whether or not the system is "right", but it is what it is. The fact is, the NMB looks at the table positions of each side and how they compare to the industry standard. Whether we like it or not, the industry standard has moved backwards. Again, I don't like it, but that doesn't alter the reality and must be taken into consideration.

If it was all about an "unfriendly NMB", how did these 3 pilot groups get released after little more than HALF the time we have been negotiating?

 

[goodto50meters]

PCL,
I disagree. Let's forget our past disagreements and discuss the issue of a release from the NMB. Your position is that our problem is "an NMB that is hostile to labor and very friendly towards management". IF that is true, how did Polar, World, and Mesaba get releases.

Polar was released by this NMB in Sept. '05 after 2 yrs. 7 months of negotiating. They went on strike.

World was released by this NMB in Jan. '06 after 2 yrs. 7 months of negotiating. They went on strike.

Mesaba was released by this NMB in Jan. '04 after 2 years 7 months of negotiating. Agreement was released after strike deadline past.

Here are 3 examples, of the current Republican controlled NMB, releasing pilot groups into a cooling off period after 2 years 7 months of negotiating.

In 1998, the ASA group was negotiating with a Democratic controlled NMB and an NMB Chairwoman that was a former AFA MEC Chairwoman. We were parked based on our "demands".

I don't want to get into an argument of whether or not the system is "right", but it is what it is. The fact is, the NMB looks at the table positions of each side and how they compare to the industry standard. Whether we like it or not, the industry standard has moved backwards. Again, I don't like it, but that doesn't alter the reality and must be taken into consideration.

If it was all about an "unfriendly NMB", how did these 3 pilot groups get released after little more than HALF the time we have been negotiating?

In all three cases MANAGEMENT supported a release. Thats why smartass. Its simple: Management thought the groups would crumble in a strike so they supported the proffer in each case. No crumblng occured, hence other managements have thought twice.

Nice try John.

 

[PCL_128]

The above answer is correct in respect to World and Polar (and the NWA AMFA strike, for that matter), and in the case of MSA, the release came because XJ management committed some extremely grave errors in the process that basically left the NMB with no choice but to release the pilots. Unlike XJ management, ASA management has played the game very well and made it plausable for the NMB to pretend that management is bargaining in good faith. A more labor-friendly (or at least labor-neutral) NMB would have long sense admitted that an impasse has occurred. This NMB will keep things going until ASA management makes such a big mistake that the NMB can no longer deny that this is a sham.

 

[scott hall]

Here at ASA we like to think, I mean we like too just be! The longer we put it off the longer we keep our jobs!

 

[John Pennekamp]

In 1998, the ASA group was negotiating with a Democratic controlled NMB and an NMB Chairwoman that was a former AFA MEC Chairwoman. We were parked based on our "demands".

I don't want to get into an argument of whether or not the system is "right", but it is what it is. The fact is, the NMB looks at the table positions of each side and how they compare to the industry standard. Whether we like it or not, the industry standard has moved backwards. Again, I don't like it, but that doesn't alter the reality and must be taken into consideration.

If it was all about an "unfriendly NMB", how did these 3 pilot groups get released after little more than HALF the time we have been negotiating?

This from the coalition member who wrote the slogan "We will settle the contract in 90 days or OFFER to resign (if a majority of the pilots ask us to)".

Well, well, looks like you are finally admitting how you planned to do that. CAVE IN and deliver a contract at or below "industry standard". Have you even bothered to go on the website or read ALPA's latest proposals? They're only slightly above "industry standard" now. How much lower should they go? Oh wait, your crew room speech is that we need to undercut all the other airlines (including Skywest) and steal the flying.

ASA pilots, speak up if you would ratify such a contract after a 4+ year fight. I didn't think so.

GUESS THAT'S WHY YOU AND YOUR GIRLFRIEND LOST THE ELECTION IN A LANDSLIDE!!! So now we're getting sour grapes from the LOSER!!!

 

[frapper]

I agree...either poop or get off the pot.

Hehe, you called the sh_t poop!!!