ASA Wussies

[Sinca3]

Get fired up you hypocritical whiny bi(thes. Wanna a new contract do something about it! Stop talking so much $hit on here and other places, grow a set and make something happen. They are YOUR union dues, put them to use...if that means the union gets sued so be it! I hat to say it but not only is Comair more focused and unified, so is MESA. ASA pilots are pathetic!
Instead of flaming away at my post, why don't you STOP. Think about what YOU have done to actually help the company out. Have you picked up open time, have you called for services, have you used your cell phone at all for any company buisness while on a trip, have you called the strike center to get info or to offer your help, have youover looked mx just so you can get home? Think about all these things, if you have done just one of them you don't deserve to respond to this thread. Otherwise fire away:uzi:
:angryfire

 

[dickburns]

Yarly

 

[IFLYIMC]

Get fired up you hypocritical whiny bi(thes. Wanna a new contract do something about it! Stop talking so much $hit on here and other places, grow a set and make something happen. They are YOUR union dues, put them to use...if that means the union gets sued so be it! I hat to say it but not only is Comair more focused and unified, so is MESA. ASA pilots are pathetic!
Instead of flaming away at my post, why don't you STOP. Think about what YOU have done to actually help the company out. Have you picked up open time, have you called for services, have you used your cell phone at all for any company buisness while on a trip, have you called the strike center to get info or to offer your help, have youover looked mx just so you can get home? Think about all these things, if you have done just one of them you don't deserve to respond to this thread. Otherwise fire away:uzi:
:angryfire

Feel better!!!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Get fired up you hypocritical whiny bi(thes. Wanna a new contract do something about it! Stop talking so much $hit on here and other places, grow a set and make something happen. They are YOUR union dues, put them to use...if that means the union gets sued so be it! I hat to say it but not only is Comair more focused and unified, so is MESA. ASA pilots are pathetic!
Instead of flaming away at my post, why don't you STOP. Think about what YOU have done to actually help the company out. Have you picked up open time, have you called for services, have you used your cell phone at all for any company buisness while on a trip, have you called the strike center to get info or to offer your help, have youover looked mx just so you can get home? Think about all these things, if you have done just one of them you don't deserve to respond to this thread. Otherwise fire away:uzi:
:angryfire

Have you ever called the airport or the traffic in sight when it was still a bit hazy? Have you ever overlooked a maintenance discrepancy at an outstation just to get the thing home on the fredom leg? Have you ever taxied fast to make up time? Have you ever deviated from the published and FAA required profiles in our manuals?

We will never get a contract until our pilots stop doing the company favors!

 

[FmrFreightDog]

have you called the strike center to get info or to offer your help,
:angryfire

Wait. Why is this one on your list of things people are doing to help out the company?

 

[rausda27]

Get fired up you hypocritical whiny bi(thes. Wanna a new contract do something about it! Stop talking so much $hit on here and other places, grow a set and make something happen. They are YOUR union dues, put them to use...if that means the union gets sued so be it! I hat to say it but not only is Comair more focused and unified, so is MESA. ASA pilots are pathetic!
Instead of flaming away at my post, why don't you STOP. Think about what YOU have done to actually help the company out. Have you picked up open time, have you called for services, have you used your cell phone at all for any company buisness while on a trip, have you called the strike center to get info or to offer your help, have youover looked mx just so you can get home? Think about all these things, if you have done just one of them you don't deserve to respond to this thread. Otherwise fire away:uzi:
:angryfire

Did you finally finish that bottle of Jaeger that you "paraded" around in MSN?

 

[Sinca3]

Moderator

Ok moderator that changed the title. It was a bit overboard, but for a reason. Atleast give me the ability to rename it something you find appropriate that can still get the attention of my target audience.
The title of the thread being plan Asa is worthless in getting people to read the thread.

 

[601Pilot]

Get fired up you hypocritical whiny bi(thes. Wanna a new contract do something about it! Stop talking so much $hit on here and other places, grow a set and make something happen. They are YOUR union dues, put them to use...if that means the union gets sued so be it! I hat to say it but not only is Comair more focused and unified, so is MESA. ASA pilots are pathetic!
Instead of flaming away at my post, why don't you STOP. Think about what YOU have done to actually help the company out. Have you picked up open time, have you called for services, have you used your cell phone at all for any company buisness while on a trip, have you called the strike center to get info or to offer your help, have youover looked mx just so you can get home? Think about all these things, if you have done just one of them you don't deserve to respond to this thread. Otherwise fire away:uzi:
:angryfire

Amen brother!!!! I don't think I can do anything more than I am doing now! I just need the rest of the group to quit doing the company favors!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

What is this the eighty-sixth thread on the subject? Get over it guys, it ain't gonna happen. I think now we should focus on the Guiness Book of World Records for longest expired contract. That we can attain.

 

[Longhorn]

Sinca3

What do you want the title to be. I just could not allow it to stay as it was. Just let me know and I will rename it.

 

[bailout]

It's "Guinness".

 

[outtahere]

By all means we need a message sent to these pricks that this will not fly any longer. On the 5th and 6th we should have ontime % in the low teens, every other day they should be in the low to mid 20's. Why are you wussified captains so afraid to stand up? For all of you FO's, get to the plane first and put it in the can yourself if you find something broke, if its in the can you ain't going. Or hell just insist that the captain write it up. It is way past time for this to be over. Its time for a little wildcat action!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Have you ever called the airport or the traffic in sight when it was still a bit hazy? Have you ever overlooked a maintenance discrepancy at an outstation just to get the thing home on the fredom leg? Have you ever taxied fast to make up time? Have you ever deviated from the published and FAA required profiles in our manuals?

We will never get a contract until our pilots stop doing the company favors!

I thought we were getting a release *****? What happened? Are you agreeing with me that we won't get a release based on our demands? Was this whole strategic plan based on a '98 style WOE campaign? Big mistake if that is the case....

 

[John Pennekamp]

I thought we were getting a release *****? What happened? Are you agreeing with me that we won't get a release based on our demands? Was this whole strategic plan based on a '98 style WOE campaign? Big mistake if that is the case....

Huh? You got the wrong man. I have no idea what you're talking about.

If you're looking for WF, I'm pretty sure his handle is "ifly4food", pm him. Or even better, if you really have a question CALL HIM dumbass!!!

Your inflammatory "questions" meant only to embarass people publcly is why no one likes you, and the union won't take you seriously. And don't say you don't care, because you're the one who cries all the time that you had to boycott the LEC meetings because "The MEC wouldn't include you".

I've seen you all alone over in the D lounge surfing the internet because no one will talk to you. You're a joke. Everyone talks about you behind your back. It's time you got a life and quit trying to lampoon people on the internet.

 

[wrightflyer]

I agree...either poop or get off the pot.

 

[rightseatjocky]

Get fired up you hypocritical whiny bi(thes. Wanna a new contract do something about it! Stop talking so much $hit on here and other places, grow a set and make something happen. They are YOUR union dues, put them to use...if that means the union gets sued so be it! I hat to say it but not only is Comair more focused and unified, so is MESA. ASA pilots are pathetic!
Instead of flaming away at my post, why don't you STOP. Think about what YOU have done to actually help the company out. Have you picked up open time, have you called for services, have you used your cell phone at all for any company buisness while on a trip, have you called the strike center to get info or to offer your help, have youover looked mx just so you can get home? Think about all these things, if you have done just one of them you don't deserve to respond to this thread. Otherwise fire away:uzi:
:angryfire

I think someone peed in his wheaties. It's ok, brutha, tomorrow is another day. Take a chill pill.

 

[PCL_128]

Are you agreeing with me that we won't get a release based on our demands?

Your lack of a release has nothing to do with your demands. It has everything to do with an NMB that is hostile to labor and very friendly towards management.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Your lack of a release has nothing to do with your demands. It has everything to do with an NMB that is hostile to labor and very friendly towards management.

PCL,
I disagree. Let's forget our past disagreements and discuss the issue of a release from the NMB. Your position is that our problem is "an NMB that is hostile to labor and very friendly towards management". IF that is true, how did Polar, World, and Mesaba get releases.

Polar was released by this NMB in Sept. '05 after 2 yrs. 7 months of negotiating. They went on strike.

World was released by this NMB in Jan. '06 after 2 yrs. 7 months of negotiating. They went on strike.

Mesaba was released by this NMB in Jan. '04 after 2 years 7 months of negotiating. Agreement was released after strike deadline past.

Here are 3 examples, of the current Republican controlled NMB, releasing pilot groups into a cooling off period after 2 years 7 months of negotiating.

In 1998, the ASA group was negotiating with a Democratic controlled NMB and an NMB Chairwoman that was a former AFA MEC Chairwoman. We were parked based on our "demands".

I don't want to get into an argument of whether or not the system is "right", but it is what it is. The fact is, the NMB looks at the table positions of each side and how they compare to the industry standard. Whether we like it or not, the industry standard has moved backwards. Again, I don't like it, but that doesn't alter the reality and must be taken into consideration.

If it was all about an "unfriendly NMB", how did these 3 pilot groups get released after little more than HALF the time we have been negotiating?

 

[goodto50meters]

PCL,
I disagree. Let's forget our past disagreements and discuss the issue of a release from the NMB. Your position is that our problem is "an NMB that is hostile to labor and very friendly towards management". IF that is true, how did Polar, World, and Mesaba get releases.

Polar was released by this NMB in Sept. '05 after 2 yrs. 7 months of negotiating. They went on strike.

World was released by this NMB in Jan. '06 after 2 yrs. 7 months of negotiating. They went on strike.

Mesaba was released by this NMB in Jan. '04 after 2 years 7 months of negotiating. Agreement was released after strike deadline past.

Here are 3 examples, of the current Republican controlled NMB, releasing pilot groups into a cooling off period after 2 years 7 months of negotiating.

In 1998, the ASA group was negotiating with a Democratic controlled NMB and an NMB Chairwoman that was a former AFA MEC Chairwoman. We were parked based on our "demands".

I don't want to get into an argument of whether or not the system is "right", but it is what it is. The fact is, the NMB looks at the table positions of each side and how they compare to the industry standard. Whether we like it or not, the industry standard has moved backwards. Again, I don't like it, but that doesn't alter the reality and must be taken into consideration.

If it was all about an "unfriendly NMB", how did these 3 pilot groups get released after little more than HALF the time we have been negotiating?

In all three cases MANAGEMENT supported a release. Thats why smartass. Its simple: Management thought the groups would crumble in a strike so they supported the proffer in each case. No crumblng occured, hence other managements have thought twice.

Nice try John.

 

[PCL_128]

The above answer is correct in respect to World and Polar (and the NWA AMFA strike, for that matter), and in the case of MSA, the release came because XJ management committed some extremely grave errors in the process that basically left the NMB with no choice but to release the pilots. Unlike XJ management, ASA management has played the game very well and made it plausable for the NMB to pretend that management is bargaining in good faith. A more labor-friendly (or at least labor-neutral) NMB would have long sense admitted that an impasse has occurred. This NMB will keep things going until ASA management makes such a big mistake that the NMB can no longer deny that this is a sham.