ASA worst airline according to AQR

[NatureCalls]

Bout time sum juan stood up an Recognized ASA fo der purformunce.... Yeah Bouyyyyyyyyy....

I find your posts to be annoying.

So much so I just spent 10 bucks and joined to tell you that.

 

[XPOO]

I think what you are forgetting to look at is the fact that SkyWest was still the best performing regional. Jerry's baby vs. the red-headed step child.

 

[Beergut]

I think what you are forgetting to look at is the fact that SkyWest was still the best performing regional. Jerry's baby vs. the red-headed step child.

It is a mystery to me why JA hasn't really done anything to improve our performance. BL is obviously in over his head. And why are these recycled Delta execs running ASA. All Delta is doing by taking over the ramp in ATL is rehiring ASA unmotivated rampers. Delta is just as much at fault for our crappy schedules as the dipwads in crew planning. They dump all of these unrealistic turns in ATL and shorten the turn times when we can't even turn the planes on the old longer turntimes. Now the ramp is jammed up because one plane is waiting for a spot to clear that should have been empty 10 minutes ago. My schedule has no time to eat built into it so now I'm causing a delay because my crew and I have "nutrional needs". And it goes on and on and on. We are looked at as the redheaded stepchild and crews are blamed for eveything when Delta needs to take a look in the mirror. It is embarrassing and I have gotten to the point that my apology announcements to the pax is the complete truth. The braintrust in charge of this fiasco are the same Einstien's that coined the term "DEPEAKING". What a bunch of numbnuts!

 

[USCtrojan]

It is a mystery to me why JA hasn't really done anything to improve our performance. BL is obviously in over his head. And why are these recycled Delta execs running ASA. All Delta is doing by taking over the ramp in ATL is rehiring ASA unmotivated rampers. Delta is just as much at fault for our crappy schedules as the dipwads in crew planning. They dump all of these unrealistic turns in ATL and shorten the turn times when we can't even turn the planes on the old longer turntimes. Now the ramp is jammed up because one plane is waiting for a spot to clear that should have been empty 10 minutes ago. My schedule has no time to eat built into it so now I'm causing a delay because my crew and I have "nutrional needs". And it goes on and on and on. We are looked at as the redheaded stepchild and crews are blamed for eveything when Delta needs to take a look in the mirror. It is embarrassing and I have gotten to the point that my apology announcements to the pax is the complete truth. The braintrust in charge of this fiasco are the same Einstien's that coined the term "DEPEAKING". What a bunch of numbnuts!

Beergut,

I personally think there is a very good reason nothing has been done to improve anything... Now if you listen to Brian L. he'll tell you all sorts of ways we are improving, but that's not what I'm talking about. Things have steadily gotten worse since Skip...Brian.....until now. That says to me that it's planned. They've had this same scenario a year ago, and nothing has changed. Things have not gotten better because from the top (Jerry A) has done nothing to improve it. Somethings in the works, I can theorize all I want, but we're just along for the ride. You know as well as I do, anything happens around here, you read it in the newspaper first!

Trojan

 

[79%N1]

.......and hey, We even moved up to 16th in one category in the last reporting period!!!!! Throw a party! Lots of back-slapping at the GO for that! HOW REDICULOUS!

 

[Leroy Smith]

I think what you are forgetting to look at is the fact that SkyWest was still the best performing regional. Jerry's baby vs. the red-headed step child.

Never been to PDX, DEN or ORD but was recently in SLC for the first time. I have no doubts anymore as to why our performance is so miserable. We operate the majority of our flights out of one of the best run airports/airspace in the world (albeit the busiest and overcrowded). But our airport operations have to be the worst in the world. Dealing with ops in almost any of our outstations is a joy compared to ATL. Going to CVG, MCO, even LGA is almost always a better ramp experience than ASA's "operation" in ATL. Ive seen US's PHL F ops in action on numerous occaisons and even they cant match the level of inspired incompetance and apathy that the north ends of C&D in ATL have. And those of you from SKW cycling through Atltanta, dont think that A&B have any relation to the furr-ball that are the "commuter" terminals.

In most cases, crews have little to do with ontime, etc. And when they can be blamed, more likely it is a sceduling or some other operational problem.

Sooo.. be thankful that you are lucky enough to work for the "best performing regional". Like being good looking or intelligent, its a great thing and you can accentuate the good bits, but it was just lucky coincidence for you.

 

[Tomct]

Beergut,

I personally think there is a very good reason nothing has been done to improve anything... Now if you listen to Brian L. he'll tell you all sorts of ways we are improving, but that's not what I'm talking about. Things have steadily gotten worse since Skip...Brian.....until now. That says to me that it's planned. They've had this same scenario a year ago, and nothing has changed. Things have not gotten better because from the top (Jerry A) has done nothing to improve it. Somethings in the works, I can theorize all I want, but we're just along for the ride. You know as well as I do, anything happens around here, you read it in the newspaper first!

Trojan

I agree, somethings in the works. I would not be surprised to see a merge not to far off in the distant future. Only time will tell!!

 

[atlcrashpad]

I find your posts to be annoying.

So much so I just spent 10 bucks and joined to tell you that.

Shudda saved yo money bouyyyyyyyyyyyyyy......
I gots ta say what I feels....

 

[John Pennekamp]

Never been to PDX, DEN or ORD but was recently in SLC for the first time. I have no doubts anymore as to why our performance is so miserable. We operate the majority of our flights out of one of the best run airports/airspace in the world (albeit the busiest and overcrowded). But our airport operations have to be the worst in the world. Dealing with ops in almost any of our outstations is a joy compared to ATL. Going to CVG, MCO, even LGA is almost always a better ramp experience than ASA's "operation" in ATL. Ive seen US's PHL F ops in action on numerous occaisons and even they cant match the level of inspired incompetance and apathy that the north ends of C&D in ATL have. And those of you from SKW cycling through Atltanta, dont think that A&B have any relation to the furr-ball that are the "commuter" terminals.

In most cases, crews have little to do with ontime, etc. And when they can be blamed, more likely it is a sceduling or some other operational problem.

Sooo.. be thankful that you are lucky enough to work for the "best performing regional". Like being good looking or intelligent, its a great thing and you can accentuate the good bits, but it was just lucky coincidence for you.

"Ops, acey xxx we're ten prior, no fuel, no catering, no cleaning"

"copy" (back to suduku)

"Ops, acey xxx at departure time, still no fuel, catering, cleaning"

"copy dat!" (getting annoyed that you're bothering her while she files her 3" nails)

"Ops, acey xxx, ten late, still no passengers, no services"

"ACEY XXX, I DONE TOLD YOU AH CALT! I KNOWS WHAT YOUS NEEDS!!!!

I really hope things improve in ops June 1st. I'm not optimistic. Most likely will be the same voice, just paid more.

 

[pipi]

Multiple calls.

"Ops, acey xxx we're ten prior, no fuel, no catering, no cleaning"

"copy" (back to suduku)

"Ops, acey xxx at departure time, still no fuel, catering, cleaning"

"copy dat!" (getting annoyed that you're bothering her while she files her 3" nails)

"Ops, acey xxx, ten late, still no passengers, no services"

"ACEY XXX, I DONE TOLD YOU AH CALT! I KNOWS WHAT YOUS NEEDS!!!!

I really hope things improve in ops June 1st. I'm not optimistic. Most likely will be the same voice, just paid more.

Why do you call more than once?
One call is all they get from me.
I heard a guy calling for a huffer ten times yesterday. One call is all I give them. If I need external power, A/C, or a huffer, my next call is to tell them: We are going inside, you give me a call when everything I need is hooked to the airplane and we'll come back out.

 

[doh]

Bout time sum juan stood up an Recognized ASA fo der purformunce.... Yeah Bouyyyyyyyyy....

Crashpad, you kill me!!!! ROTFLMFAO!!!!:laugh:

 

[doh]

I find your posts to be annoying.

So much so I just spent 10 bucks and joined to tell you that.

Nature, you shoulda saved the ten bucks! See my post above and stfu.

 

[wickedpilot]

Why do you call more than once?
One call is all they get from me.
I heard a guy calling for a huffer ten times yesterday. One call is all I give them. If I need external power, A/C, or a huffer, my next call is to tell them: We are going inside, you give me a call when everything I need is hooked to the airplane and we'll come back out.

One Call, That's All

 

[pilotnbr1]

Delta can't rehire many ASA people because they cannot pass the drug test. They are going to have to find new people to fill many positions. Hopefully higher pay and better screening will improve the pool.

 

[Flyer1015]

I find your posts to be annoying.

So much so I just spent 10 bucks and joined to tell you that.

What are you talking about??!?


atlcrashpad's posts are HILARIOUS!!!!


BOUYYYYY!

LOL!

I love that guy hahahahaa! Keep it up atlcrashpad!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Why do you call more than once?
One call is all they get from me.
I heard a guy calling for a huffer ten times yesterday. One call is all I give them. If I need external power, A/C, or a huffer, my next call is to tell them: We are going inside, you give me a call when everything I need is hooked to the airplane and we'll come back out.

Once? I don't call at all. I sit there and LET THE SYSTEM WORK. They know airplanes need fuel, passengers, and services. It's not my job to remind them.

 

[regionalcap]

Once? I don't call at all. I sit there and LET THE SYSTEM WORK. They know airplanes need fuel, passengers, and services. It's not my job to remind them.

It will interesting to see if things get better by June 1. I am cautiously optimistic that it will improve. I agree with you that we shouldn't have to tell them anything. It "should" be automatic.

 

[John Pennekamp]

It will interesting to see if things get better by June 1. I am cautiously optimistic that it will improve. I agree with you that we shouldn't have to tell them anything. It "should" be automatic.

Improve? It's going to be a meltdown! Delta can't get enough of them hired and past the drug test.

Also, the house of cards is about to fall. ASA will have no more excuses for poor operational management. Especially when they announce that we're losing our flight benefits and half the flight attendants quit that week (Inflight is already drastically short handed, because they just fired some 60 FAs for attendance "occurances"). Oh, on that note, I talked to a dispatcher yesterday, and they've also been notified that our S3 priority is going away June 1. They won't let the crews know until the last minute because they know there will be mass resignations.

 

[CFI2766]

Delta can't rehire many ASA people because they cannot pass the drug test. They are going to have to find new people to fill many positions. Hopefully higher pay and better screening will improve the pool.

I've asked several rampers about the 'transition', and not a single one of them are happy about it. From what I've heard from multiple folks is that there will be no increase in pay, and there have been talks of longer shifts for them. There have been hints during their interview/application process that Delta will attempt to cut costs on the ASA ramp by having fewer rampers than ASA currently has. The rampers are also afraid that they will never get off of 'C' and 'D' to work mainline Delta stuff and will be stuck working 10-12 flights a shift while Delta's own folks sit back on the other concourses and work 4-5 flights a shift.

ASA does have some good people working the ramp. Talk to them sometime, I've learned a lot from just being friendly to them.

I have high hopes for life after Delta takes over, but I'm just not convinced it will turn out for the better for ASA.

 

[CFI2766]

Improve? It's going to be a meltdown! Delta can't get enough of them hired and past the drug test.

Also, the house of cards is about to fall. ASA will have no more excuses for poor operational management. Especially when they announce that we're losing our flight benefits and half the flight attendants quit that week (Inflight is already drastically short handed, because they just fired some 60 FAs for attendance "occurances"). Oh, on that note, I talked to a dispatcher yesterday, and they've also been notified that our S3 priority is going away June 1. They won't let the crews know until the last minute because they know there will be mass resignations.

What exactly does this mean? I'm kinda new here, and haven't done any recreational flying. Does this mean that my family can't get on Delta anymore?

 

[John Pennekamp]

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What exactly does this mean? I'm kinda new here, and haven't done any recreational flying. Does this mean that my family can't get on Delta anymore?

Right now, we go S3/S2 priority on Delta. Our parents go S3B, along with Delta retirees. Skywest goes S3C. Buddy passes go S4.

It's been announced to everybody except flight crews that effective June 1, we will be going S3C on Delta. Generally, S2 can't even get you on a flight anywhere good, because the planes are so full. Our rampers will go to Delta with a 6/1/07 DOH and bump us, because we will be lower priority. Same for retired Delta, and Delta parents. The remaining question is whether we will be S3C on ASA. Rumor is that we will, because when this came up last spring, Delta told ASA "we own every seat on your airplanes and WE will decide who sits in them".

No word on parents benefits. I suspect that they will be S4, if they keep them at all. We probably won't get buddy passes anymore either.

 

[Sinca3]

Something I´ve been thinking during all of the ¨rumors¨of lost flight benefits, is who else is willing to negotiate to keep current benies?
First think about this....our benefits including the flight benefits are a form of compensation. Whether ASA or DAL is paying for them is irrelevant, they ARE a form of compensation.
When I was looking for a regional to work for the flight benefits that ASA enjoyed/enjoys were one of the main reasons for me to come to ASA. If we loose anything it is a reduction in our compensations whether flight, medical, or hourly pay all benefits we get. I am tired of management everywhere especially ASA cutting our benefits.
Whay can´t we keep the same ones we currently have? Worldspan and some other former DAL contract company still enjot the benefits they had during their relations with Delta. Why can´t we enjoy the same? I think we can.....and I don´t feel we shuold have to negotiate for it but I am willing to.
Better yet what happen to status quo?

 

[Leroy Smith]

On an unrelated note, a friendly public service announcement:

...If we loose anything it is a reduction in our compensations whether flight, medical...

Kids, please remember that if you misplace something or have it taken away, you lose it.
If you make something less tight or release it, you loose it.

I dont mean to be a grammar / spelling nazi, but I am incredulous at how much this is happening. I dont know if seeing it incorrect here so many times is making people think that it is right, but it is disturbing how many intelligent (or at least quasi-intelligent) posts have it. Perhaps a sign that FI really is bringing on the downfall of Western Civilization.

And now back to your regularly scheduled ASA sucks thread.....

 

[Sinca3]

Sorry Leroy, must´ve been the 5th Jack and Coke that did my spellin in!
Carry on dick....................

 

[John Pennekamp]

Something I´ve been thinking during all of the ¨rumors¨of lost flight benefits, is who else is willing to negotiate to keep current benies?
First think about this....our benefits including the flight benefits are a form of compensation. Whether ASA or DAL is paying for them is irrelevant, they ARE a form of compensation.
When I was looking for a regional to work for the flight benefits that ASA enjoyed/enjoys were one of the main reasons for me to come to ASA. If we loose anything it is a reduction in our compensations whether flight, medical, or hourly pay all benefits we get. I am tired of management everywhere especially ASA cutting our benefits.
Whay can´t we keep the same ones we currently have? Worldspan and some other former DAL contract company still enjot the benefits they had during their relations with Delta. Why can´t we enjoy the same? I think we can.....and I don´t feel we shuold have to negotiate for it but I am willing to.
Better yet what happen to status quo?

1. As the RJDC says, "We Don't Negotiate With Delta" (but we should). We have no forum to negotiate pass benefits.

2. Our benefits have been decreasing for years. Have you gone to the doctor lately and had labs done or gotten a prescription? Yikes! Our out of pocket costs have more than doubled.

3. The best solution is to join everybody else and update your resume. Vote on the "new contract" with your feet.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Sorry Leroy, must´ve been the 5th Jack and Coke that did my spellin in!
Carry on dick....................

5th J/C by 1820, and you're still up at 1 am? D@mn!

 

[Sinca3]

1. As the RJDC says, "We Don't Negotiate With Delta" (but we should). We have no forum to negotiate pass benefits.


2. Our benefits have been decreasing for years. Have you gone to the doctor lately and had labs done or gotten a prescription? Yikes! Our out of pocket costs have more than doubled.


3. The best solution is to join everybody else and update your resume. Vote on the "new contract" with your feet.

I disagree. We can negotiate whatever we want. It is up to mgmnt to make it happen. How that works isn't my problem. It CAN BE DONE!!

Yes and this is why we should address the whole status quo thingy.

Its out there...just point me in the direction to walk

 

[John Pennekamp]

I disagree. We can negotiate whatever we want. It is up to mgmnt to make it happen. How that works isn't my problem. It CAN BE DONE!!

Not true. It would be very irresponsible for management to offer something in negotiations that they have no power to provide.

 

[Sinca3]

Not true. It would be very irresponsible for management to offer something in negotiations that they have no power to provide.

Why don't you think they can provide this?
If ASA wants to buys something from DAL why wouldn't DAL sell it?
I think you aren't giving the "good ole boys" in airline management enough credit.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagee..........