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ASA, why not show 'em our potential??

TexPilot

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As someone who is new to these boards, reading some of this stuff is fairly depressing. Why is it that we always trend towards the negative when trying to prove a point?

Believe me, I understand contract talks aren't going well and who knows when everyone will come to an agreement.

All I'm saying is why not show our full potential for one month. For one month act like we're working with the best contract in the industry. Come up with your best-case scenario (contract/pay/QOL/etc..) and work like we have it. On day 31, we go back to working like we're... well, working for our current contract. Show them what they could have. Believe me, if we did this as a whole it would make an impact.

Will they meet your best-case scenario, absolutely not; but hopefully we'll be closer to it.

Could you shoot holes through this and ridicule me, absolutely. What's the worst-case scenario; you work a little harder for one month and make some customers happy?

T
 

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Most of us do this everyday. We are professionals. Management does not appreciate that....strike that.....management doesn't care. They are all just looking for the big money before the company goes TU. Skippy is the latest proof of that. Too bad we will prolly never know the $$$ details of his departure. It would certainly fire us up more.
 

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Young Jedi, there is sooooo much more involved than in how hard the pilot group works.

There are systemic issues, well out of the hands of the pilots, that prevent this airline from reaching it's potential.

I can remember busting my A$$ in the Brasilia, and still running 3-4 hours late daily.
 

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They don't care about our performance now so I can't see how it would make any difference.

I think it would be an unneccesary and undeserved reprieve for management if we did as you suggest.
 

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:rolleyes:I have to agree with Shamrock! Mngmt would just keep right on ticking and not even care what we did. Most of us bust our Asses to make things work, but when you go to almost 3 years of negotiations and the company just continues to walk away from the table, That is the LAST STRAW!! Unless big D see's just how bad things are, we are in for a loooooooooooooooooonnnnggggg ride!
Mgmnt can kiss my @ss! They don't respect us so SCREW THEM!!
 

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I really think the writing is on the wall for us to be sold. With the departure of Skip and lack of good faith bargaining we should see a sale soon. The lack of a CBA may be a blessing in disguise though. Sure Big D prolly could NOT give us what we demanded. However, the airline that buys us should be in a better position to negotiate.
 

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TexPilot said:
All I'm saying is why not show our full potential for one month.

Many of us would love to do this, but unfortunately I have heard too many stories of people being told by CPs that our jobs only begin when the airplane is pushed back.

I will go to my grave believing that because some bean counter can't quantify savings due to enthusiastic and happy employees, we will never see policies or programs implemented that will allow this company to be as great as it could be.
 
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Stifler's Mom said:
Many of us would love to do this, but unfortunately I have heard too many stories of people being told by CPs that our jobs only begin when the airplane is pushed back.

If I feel the ground crew aren't doing their job properly, or a mechanic hasn't done his job properly, or the lavatory is smelling like a dead body, we aren't going. I'd love to hear a Chief Pilot explain why I am wrong. Don't be typing this stuff. A newbie might think it is true.
 

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Complaints about wheelchairs not arriving for passengers after sitting on the plane for 15 minutes.

Complaints about ground crews disappearing and having to wait 30 minutes on the ramp to be parked.

These are two instances where a Captain I was flying with has told me about the response he recieved when he went in and complained to a CP. His advice was given to me because he saw how frustrated I would get when this and similar things would happen when returning to ATL. Now I just sit back and let things happen.
 

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:cool:Unfortunately it is all that you can do! If you get rattled about the work ethic of the ATL rampers....you will die of HIGH blood pressure. The WORK ETHIC just is not there. You would never see that in DFW. I sure miss those days. Now, all we can do is sit back andwait!
 

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Looking at your Total Time, surely you havent been there more than a year. You're a little trigger happy at this point. For those who put in 3 or more years have a good view of what has really changed at ASA.

Most ASA pilots still go out of their way everyday. They make flights deaprt ontime, get extra bags on, and yes might even make sure you can JS one day. All of this accurs while mgmt still pisses on the pilot group. If the pilots really wanted to get at mgmt, they would STOP doing all the extras. The would do exactly as the contract says and let all of mgmts new programs fall apart.

The only way to get ahead is to ORGANIZE and STOP the BS because we can not change the ATL demographics.
 

Mmmmmm Burritos

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Heck, most of management's new programs are falling apart all by themselves. Been sitting on the ramp recently waiting for the rampers to park you at outstations since we dont call inrange anymore?
 

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This company is totally pi$$ing me off. Management has no idea how we make things work on the line. If we flew exactly "by the book", the whole airline would shut down. Everything I do is for the passengers, and sure is hell not for the company. The passengers are the innocent victims caught up in this hell hole. If we were flying boxes, I would be legally late on every flight and wouldn't care. I've never seen a company who has such poor relationships within the employees and management. I say we combine ASA and Comair, use their management, and introduce us as an IPO. (Imagine the gratification of giving Chucky T and the lawyers a good ol fashion boot up the a$$) I believe ASA and Comair combined are making around 35 million profit per quarter. After Delta files bankruptcy, who knows what will happen. I'm just fed up with the whole industry.
 
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Stifler's Mom said:
Many of us would love to do this, but unfortunately I have heard too many stories of people being told by CPs that our jobs only begin when the airplane is pushed back.

I will go to my grave believing that because some bean counter can't quantify savings due to enthusiastic and happy employees, we will never see policies or programs implemented that will allow this company to be as great as it could be.

Exactly right. Southwest knows the value of happy employees, so do ALL of the truely successful companies with any longevity. ASA management is beyond not caring, they are TOTALLY oblivious--thinking that they are liked, and that the company runs just fine. When was the last time you saw a memeber of management on the line? (aside from one of Drews "Let's talk" bullshit, propaganda sessions).

ASA has absolutely NO talent at the top. Skip has been with DAL/ASA for what, 30 years? And he chooses now to leave for some BS carribean airline? This is a huge sign of a sinking ship.
 

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No, he is leaving because he knows his pension was at risk. Delta could possibly go on for many many years, but he had one chance to take his pension and run. He did. So did 2000 of our Captains in the last year and a half. That's fine with me---I can move up at the same time. Sure, I won't have a pension, but I have time for a 401K and possibly time to start my new Chippendales franchise.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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There has been a bit of bad blood between our 2 pilot groups on here lately, so I just want to use my 100th post to wish you guys good luck with the contract and DL's potential bankruptcy.

It's interesting that this thread, started by our newcomer TexPilot (welcome Tex, BTW) and lastly commented on by the prolific General (congrats on 5K, BTW) is where I choose to make my 100th post.

-J
 

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General Lee said:
No, he is leaving because he knows his pension was at risk. Delta could possibly go on for many many years, but he had one chance to take his pension and run. He did. So did 2000 of our Captains in the last year and a half. That's fine with me---I can move up at the same time. Sure, I won't have a pension, but I have time for a 401K and possibly time to start my new Chippendales franchise.



Bye Bye--General Lee

Come on General. Skip is (was) a senior member of ASA management, which makes him one of the more important VPs at DAL (remember, he has always been a DAL employee, not an ASA employee) At this level his pension was never at risk. Just like Michelle Burns, Leo M., and a host of others who have departed. As long as most of his retirement wasn't based in DAL stock, he would be just fine.

Who knows, perhaps Skip was asked to leave after ASA continued to fail in almost every department. It always seemed to me that Skip never really tried to lead the company, he simply let his underlings do the work (Drew, Brian, Chuck).....all of which this company would be better without.

This pilot group will never be able to work with management as long at CT is still in power. It wouldn't surprice me if CT were named the new president (of course he is an ASA retread, not a career deltoid)
 

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Joe_pilot, thanks for the welcome. It's good to hear that alot of you are giving 100%.
I don't have too much experience with forums, but it's an interesting medium where I'm finding people are totally free to express themselves.
Once again, I appreciate the input from everyone.

Texpilot
 

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