ASA v Skywest

[79%N1]

Why is it that Skywest, who's 50 seat costs are already apparently higher than ASA, gets an offer of pay increases and other contract goodies, which further raises their costs while still getting all the growth. Not to mention ASA has been fighting for 4 years to achieve what Skywest is seemingly just being given on a whim. And if Skywest opens an ATL base that is quite expensive, is it not. That would further increase their costs, but that doesnt seem to matter. I seem to remember hearing ASA was being booted from SLC because it was too expensive to have both companies sharing one base. So, lets turn around and do it in ATL. How much sense does that make??

The more I look at it, it seems like it doesn't matter what ASA's costs or Skywests costs are. ASA is going to take it in the shorts. So, I guess it wasn't such a 'great deal' that ASA was saved from momma Delta by being purchased by SW. I mean, think about it.....we can't even, after 4 years of fighting management, get what SW already has. Now, they will get more, while we continue to spin our wheels.

And one more thing. The coup de gras was that SW management would see to it that ASA's management got it together and fixed the crummy operation that is ATL! Well, that hasn't even come close to happening! In fact, it HAS GOTTEN MUCH WORSE since SW purchased ASA. So much for that.

So, maybe the plan is indeed all along to just get rid of ASA. If that wasnt the case, SW management would be more proactive about cleaning up ASA and settling the contract. But they are not now, are they?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I believe the proposal was from the pilots to managment.

I don't understand why SKW hasn't been more proactive in cleaning up the mess we call ATL either. I had high hopes when we were sold, but I am starting to think we will just die on the vine.

 

[79%N1]

Wow, I just read Liarbrecque's letter on my ASA!!!!!

Holy crap, maybe the guy actually gets it. It's about the customer, and doing all you can to improve the shoddy (mis)management of this company.

Lets see, the proof is in the pudding!

 

[trip]

This was discussed on the conference call this morning. Lots of questions were tossed into L's lap!

 

[OARfan]

If your bought by another airline, your going to be their whore. TWA under American for example, what can a guy do?

 

[PowerRanger]

Wow, I just read Liarbrecque's letter on my ASA!!!!!

Holy crap, maybe the guy actually gets it. It's about the customer, and doing all you can to improve the shoddy (mis)management of this company.

Lets see, the proof is in the pudding!

Whats the long & short of the letter for us non ASA folk???

 

[geardown]

Basically, a flat out apology to all employees for ASA management's complete failure to manage any component of the airline as well as a promise to change things fast.

 

[HarryParatestes]

If your bought by another airline, your going to be their whore. TWA under American for example, what can a guy do?

It is you're, as in you are. It is not your.

 

[ASARJMan]

Wow, I just read Liarbrecque's letter on my ASA!!!!!
Holy crap, maybe the guy actually gets it. It's about the customer, and doing all you can to improve the shoddy (mis)management of this company.
!

BL doesn't get it! He was told to get it. Big difference. Someday SKWY will wake up and get rid of all these Delta management retreads (BL,CT,GG etc). They did a good job screwing up Delta, now they're doing the same to ASA. Started with that clown SB.

Don't be fooled by BL's appearance on the ramp. He's in the "save my job" mode. He still despises employees, especially those pilots.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[Palerider957]

When SKYW bought ASA, they looked at a balance sheet, list of assests, route structure, costs, etc. etc. etc. They had NO IDEA of the depth of outright hatred and suspicion between labor and management, probably becasue things at SKYW are so much better....how bad could it be at ASA, right? Wrong.

To be honest, I think the difficulties faced by ASA labor/management are borderline insurmountable. This conflict is institutionalized, almost like Arabs and Isrealis. The only thing missing is live ordnance flying back and forth.

Labreque was always an arrogant a$$. He was on a Brasilia waiting to park forever (natrually). He spouted off at the FA, demanding an answer as to why they were waiting on the ramp (he was the VP of ramp ops. at the time!) She didn't have an answer for him, so he picked up his cel--dialed a #, then shouted into it for a few seconds. About a minute later rampers came running to his plane to park it! He never cared about employees or ASA (he was a Delta employee). So don't expect much from him until his job is at stake. However, with this letter, perhaps his job IS at stake.

 

[MELIT]

I believe the proposal was from the pilots to managment.

I don't understand why SKW hasn't been more proactive in cleaning up the mess we call ATL either. I had high hopes when we were sold, but I am starting to think we will just die on the vine.

Why should SKW clean up a mess that ASA has made? You have to learn to help yourself. You made the mess, now clean it up.

 

[jjlaw1]

If we want, we can put ASSA and SKW out of business!!

 

[jjlaw1]

Plus, I don't think anyone can do a better job is ATL. Not even all mighty SKW.

 

[atrdriver]

Why should SKW clean up a mess that ASA has made? You have to learn to help yourself. You made the mess, now clean it up.

Your bosses control who our bosses are. Our bosses have screwed this place up, both before and after we were bought, if your bosses want it cleaned up then it's their responsibility to get some people in here who know what they are doing.

 

[XPOO]

79%N1, you seem to have finally figured out the "Master Plan." Good job. Let's see here...SkyWest, Inc. profit margin: 4.97%. SkyWest Airlines profit margin: 5.4%. The "fuzzy" math tells me someone in this sistership dropped the ball this last quarter. Hmmm.

 

[MELIT]

Your bosses control who our bosses are. Our bosses have screwed this place up, both before and after we were bought, if your bosses want it cleaned up then it's their responsibility to get some people in here who know what they are doing.

Not my bosses.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Why should SKW clean up a mess that ASA has made? You have to learn to help yourself. You made the mess, now clean it up.

Give me the power to fire to GO, and I'll do it.

As far as this mess, it starts at the top and rolls down hill, so yes, it is now SkyWest Inc.'s mess to deal with. If you didn't want the mess, than you should have done a little research on this place before you bought it.

 

[ILOVEBEER]

And if Skywest opens an ATL base that is quite expensive, is it not. That would further increase their costs, but that doesnt seem to matter. I seem to remember hearing ASA was being booted from SLC because it was too expensive to have both companies sharing one base. So, lets turn around and do it in ATL. How much sense does that make??

What are you talking about? Where did you hear that SKW was opening an ATL base? The only new base that I've heard about is your new LAX base.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

Where was the SKYW airlines profit margin mentioned--all I saw was the Inc.'s...

 

[XPOO]

Login to skywestonline and at the buttom click on the Financial icon. It brings up two list boxes. One shows SkyWest, Inc.'s profit margin and the one below it shows SkyWest Airlines' profit margin.

 

[601Pilot]

Wow, I just read Liarbrecque's letter on my ASA!!!!!

Holy crap, maybe the guy actually gets it. It's about the customer, and doing all you can to improve the shoddy (mis)management of this company.

Lets see, the proof is in the pudding!

He's been spouting the same info since he was on the ramp. I'm sure nothing will change and we'll get another copy of this letter in 6 months to say he is "still trying!"

 

[CFIT]

When SKYW bought ASA, they looked at a balance sheet, list of assests, route structure, costs, etc. etc. etc. They had NO IDEA of the depth of outright hatred and suspicion between labor and management, probably becasue things at SKYW are so much better....how bad could it be at ASA, right? Wrong.

To be honest, I think the difficulties faced by ASA labor/management are borderline insurmountable. This conflict is institutionalized, almost like Arabs and Isrealis. The only thing missing is live ordnance flying back and forth.

One thing I think alot of people don't understand is that the purchase of ASA by SkyWest was under a certain level of duress. The other major contender for the purchase was Mesa. SkyWest did not want to get in the middle of these contract wars but has accepted it so there would be a confidence that the SLC flying would be retained. As much as you guys hate Jerry A and SkyWest just remember that right now you could be under Mesa's control and I'm fairly confident it would be much worse.

 

[John Pennekamp]

One thing I think alot of people don't understand is that the purchase of ASA by SkyWest was under a certain level of duress. The other major contender for the purchase was Mesa. SkyWest did not want to get in the middle of these contract wars but has accepted it so there would be a confidence that the SLC flying would be retained. As much as you guys hate Jerry A and SkyWest just remember that right now you could be under Mesa's control and I'm fairly confident it would be much worse.

Care to back up this statement that we're "lucky" that Atkin, Jesus Christ, and the Angel Moroni swooped down to save us from Mesa? I don't recall seeing anything public stating who the contenders for the sale of ASA were. As a matter of fact even being sold was a rumor until it was announced.

You're losing any shred of credibility you ever thought you had with stupid statements like the above.

 

[jjlaw1]

You SKW guys think this is about ASA pilots against SKW pilots. This is about us wanting better quality of life and a wage that a family can get ahead on!! This is just managements way of keeping the pilot group working against each other. When is every one going to wake up and realize that pilots need to stop cutting our own throats and raise the bar for everyone!!!!!!!!!

 

[atrdriver]

Pilots are NOT the enemy of pilots, management is the enemy of pilots. The sooner everyone realizes that the better off everyone will be.

 

[CFIT]

Care to back up this statement that we're "lucky" that Atkin, Jesus Christ, and the Angel Moroni swooped down to save us from Mesa? I don't recall seeing anything public stating who the contenders for the sale of ASA were. As a matter of fact even being sold was a rumor until it was announced.

You're losing any shred of credibility you ever thought you had with stupid statements like the above.

That was told to me from in various forms from the President and VP level, as far as being "lucky" that remains to be seen. It was told to me that keeping the SLC flying was not gauranteed if another carrier bought ASA. The fact that ASA was aquired by SkyWest Inc. pretty much means that anybody could have bought it and that includes Mesa. Delta themselves stated that they wanted to sell their regionals and there is still speculation that Mesa is trying to aquire Comair, as are others.

Take it for what it's worth John Pinkydink.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Care to back up this statement that we're "lucky" that Atkin, Jesus Christ, and the Angel Moroni swooped down to save us from Mesa? I don't recall seeing anything public stating who the contenders for the sale of ASA were. As a matter of fact even being sold was a rumor until it was announced.

You're losing any shred of credibility you ever thought you had with stupid statements like the above.

CFIT has far more credibility than you do John. He speaks rationally rather than emotionally. We are very lucky to have been bought by Skywest. I would rather have been purchased by Skywest than by Mesa or dragged into BK like CMR. The only stupid statements are coming from you....

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Care to back up this statement that we're "lucky" that Atkin, Jesus Christ, and the Angel Moroni swooped down to save us from Mesa? I don't recall seeing anything public stating who the contenders for the sale of ASA were. As a matter of fact even being sold was a rumor until it was announced.

You're losing any shred of credibility you ever thought you had with stupid statements like the above.

John,

Your credibility is pretty much gone. I'd avoid the religious references. Really doesn't have a place in the debate.
Anyone with a lick of common sense knows that DAL would have to solicit offers from more than one potential buyer. That's called due diligence. Mesa would have been a likely candidate since Ornstein (aka regional devil incarnate) has shown a desire to expand through acquisitions. Remember the play to acquire ACA? Acronym AERO mean anything?

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Pilots are NOT the enemy of pilots, management is the enemy of pilots. The sooner everyone realizes that the better off everyone will be.

Yeah right, pilots understand this???? Pilots are some of the most infantile out there when comes to pointing fingers at the cause of their misery. I agree, it's not other pilots though.

Unfortunately, the only thing I can see solving that problem is one list and that will NEVER happen.

 

[goodto50meters]

CFIT has far more credibility than you do John. He speaks rationally rather than emotionally. We are very lucky to have been bought by Skywest. I would rather have been purchased by Skywest than by Mesa or dragged into BK like CMR. The only stupid statements are coming from you....

While Penekamp gets worked up sometimes, you are the last jackhole to chastize someone for getting emotional. You have been on these boards spewing hateful bullsh!t that mirrors our management friends crew lounge crap for years.

Get over yourself Joe-john B-jackson and go cash your pilot busting unionfacts-dot-com royalty check for services rendered.