ASA Uniform Enforcement

[79%N1]

Reverse sesnsing.....

It doesn't matter your opinion on the hat. If it is company policy, wear it. Like I said, If your such a rebel, show up in jeans, Nikes and a T-shirt and prove it. All you have proven is it is really about vanity!

 

[ReverseSensing]

The hat looks the same on everyone that wears it. The whole "I look bad in the hat" thing is all in your head. Just put the danged thing on and look like a frickin' pilot. Is this really such a big deal?

Have you been talking to my counselor? The hat thing has a lot of competition with other things that are "all in my head."

Hats were universal in this industry until the new generation of pilots showed up and thought they had the right to change 75 years worth of tradition just because they didn't like it. It starts with the loss of the hat, and before you know it, you'll end up with a uniform that looks like that monstrosity of a uniform that the Virgin America guys are wearing. Looks like something out of a bad Sci-fi movie.

Why is the "hat" so damned sacrosanct? There are a lot of important traditions that have been flushed, like good pay and pensions, but some people get awfully hung up on looking like a Mexican generalisimo. When, exactly did this "new generation" of pilots who had the gall to think they could change things show up? I never see a SWA pilot wearing a hat. How long they been around? 1 in 6 AS pilots wear the hat -- the airline's been around 75 years.

BTW, if we all end up wearing sci-fi uniforms, my plot for world domination and cheesy uniforms will have succeeded...bwah hah hah hah!

I'm being accused of being vain for NOT wearing a hat...that's priceless.

It's amazing how universal picking and choosing which parts of company policies, manuals or standards we each will comply with is, yet some people feel they are in a position to lecture anyone else who does it. Give it a break.

 

[ReverseSensing]

All you have proven is it is really about vanity!

Unless you claim you follow every single company policy and standard, then right back at you!

Sorry, I'm not all about blind conformity. That kind of mentality leads to smoking holes with beautifully executed checklists recorded until the CVR stops. If that's the way you approach the job. Fine. To each his own.

 

[ReverseSensing]

I thought of a couple of times I'll wear the hat:

If attending the funeral of a fellow pilot.

If walking an informational or strike picket.

Don't ask me why, I just think in these situations, I can swallow my "vanity" and wear the full costume.

Fire away!

 

[PCL_128]

Why is the "hat" so damned sacrosanct?

It's not just the hat. I think the tie, the shoulder boards, the blazer, etc... are all just as important in maintaining a traditional, professional appearance. The hat is just the most common thing that guys think they can ignore from a uniform policy.

 

[PCL_128]

I thought of a couple of times I'll wear the hat:

If attending the funeral of a fellow pilot.

If walking an informational or strike picket.

Don't ask me why, I just think in these situations, I can swallow my "vanity" and wear the full costume.

Fire away!

Your professionalism shouldn't be limited to certain situations. If the hat is appropriate in a picket line or a funeral, then it's appropriate on the line. We shouldn't just decide to look like professionals on special occasions.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Your professionalism shouldn't be limited to certain situations. If the hat is appropriate in a picket line or a funeral, then it's appropriate on the line. We shouldn't just decide to look like professionals on special occasions.

I reject your premise: I don't agree that the hat reflects professionalism. I do think that in some situations, what is customary is important. On the line, I think what is practical is important.

Which is why so many other uniform wearing professions have a "dress" version and a "utility" version. Makes good practical sense.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

no friggin' clip-on tie for me. Clip-on ties -- now there's an affront to dignity.

You'll probably think differently about that if you ever get your tie caught up in something.

I've even stopped rolling up the cuffs on my long sleeve shirts after the cuff once got hooked onto the thrust lever (pulling it forward) and I couldn't get the engine into reverse during landing.

How about these guys who wear 2 rings on each hand and the gold "man bracelet".

 

[79%N1]

Reverse....

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!

It is a company rule! Have I ever neglected a company rule...sure. But the difference is, I don't choose to intentionally ignore a rule. Where do you stop? Maybe tear out any page in the FOM that you don't like. It's a company rule....wear the hat.

 

[Tomct]

Man Reverse...if you are 41, ACT YOUR AGE! If you want to look like one of the many Duche's walking through the airport Without your hat...then by all means...GO AHEAD! You are worse than talking to a 2 year old. " my dad can beat up your dad...blah...blah...blah!"

And by the way....the uniform with "utilities" STILL HAVE TO WEAR HATS!

 

[av8tor4239]

Here is my problem with the Hat..

Like everything else i aviation it is a total rip off.. Ihave a perfectly good FO Hat. All it needs to be a perfectly good captains hat is a .04 cent peice of felt and a .20 cent olive branch patch... BUT NO.. You have to fork out 70 bucks for a whole new hat.. F THAT

 

[PCL_128]

Here is my problem with the Hat..

Like everything else i aviation it is a total rip off.. Ihave a perfectly good FO Hat. All it needs to be a perfectly good captains hat is a .04 cent peice of felt and a .20 cent olive branch patch... BUT NO.. You have to fork out 70 bucks for a whole new hat.. F THAT

Wow. Now that's some cheap-ass bullsh&^. If you're upgrading to Captain and are going to be almost doubling your pay, then drop a lousy $70 bucks on a frickin' hat. You guys can come up with some ridiculous excuses for not following uniform policy and tradition.

 

[COOPERVANE]

THIS thread again?

I wear MY hat. It's part of the uniform I agreed to by taking this job.

HOWEVER, I also wear epaulets with 5 stripes on them, cause we Amish do everything you do plus 50%!!

 

[Richard Gozinya]

WOW!

the guys who refuse to follow the simple rules, and then complain about it really don't get it. If you don't like a rule, go back to Riddle and get your Aviation management training, come back here and be management. Then you don't have to wear your hat. You can be a stock options and write the rules. How's that? Don't like $19/hr pay, go somewhere else. If all you have to b1tch about is that pissy little hat, life isn't to bad.

............."So I was escorting a Kuwaiti tanker over the gulf in '86, and here comes this dam Iranian gunboat............"

That's something to have concern about, not the hat. Get your priorities straight!

Dick Gozinya

 

[ReverseSensing]

If all you have to b1tch about is that pissy little hat, life isn't to bad.

I agree! All you guys whining about professional pilots that choose not to wear hats need to get a life.



Tomct: I don't want to act my age. My dad can beat up your dad. I bet you lose arguments to your 2-year old. And what you say about "utilities" may be true sometimes, but not always.

79%: You never intentionally ignore a company rule, huh? Yeah, right. I'm pretty much just having a good time riling up all you hat facists, but you need to do some serious self-reflection if you actually believe what you write about never intentionally being non-compliant. Sorry. No such pilot exists or ever has. If you can't wrap your head around that, it's possible you're wearing your hat a size or two too small.

 

[ReverseSensing]

THIS thread again?

I know, I know. I'm trying to settle it once and for all. Think I will?

 

[ReverseSensing]

Reverse sesnsing.....

It doesn't matter your opinion on the hat.

Sure it matters. It's my head.

You docile and compliant types scare the piss out of me.

 

[PCL_128]

You docile and compliant types scare the piss out of me.

And you cowboys that think you can make up your own rules scare the piss out of me.

 

[ReverseSensing]

And you cowboys that think you can make up your own rules scare the piss out of me.

Well I guess we'll just have to agree to scare the piss out of each other.

We all make up our own rules at least some of the time. Some are just willing to admit it.

 

[CFI2766]

Where does it say in the FOM that slip on shoes are verboten? It specifies plain toed shoes, but I don't remember a requirement that there be shoelaces.

 

[CFI2766]

I'm an airline pilot. The hat is an airline pilot's hat. No brainer: I wear it.

However, I'm certainly opposed to telling another adult what to do with regards to what they chose to either wear or not wear on their head.

Come on people, if you don't like the way someone is shooting the ILS, speak up. If you are not a fan of their uniform appearance, pipe down. It's a simple as that.

 

[ReverseSensing]

I'm an airline pilot. The hat is an airline pilot's hat. No brainer: I wear it.

However, I'm certainly opposed to telling another adult what to do with regards to what they chose to either wear or not wear on their head.

Come on people, if you don't like the way someone is shooting the ILS, speak up. If you are not a fan of their uniform appearance, pipe down. It's a simple as that.

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout! Buy that man a beer!

I think some dudes look pimp stylin' in the hat.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Every airline has folks that don't like the hats and try not to wear them. But for my friends at ASA, consider this.

The pilots from ASA have had success getting hired in large numbers at DAL, FedEx, UPS, CAL, AirTran and other good operators because the perception amongst managers at these airlines that ASA pilots handle themselves well. ASA has an excellent training program and some of the ASA pilots have recieved publicity for their professionalism and doing a great job under adverse circumstances. The image of ASA pilots helps ASA pilots.

I understand not wanting to wear the hat when you are not included as part of the "team" and management craps on you. But, you simply need to rise to a higher professional standard than the rest of the operation.

This includes web boards. A debate on uniform attire, or even worse, IPOD usage while in 121 operations, should be kept in the crew room.

I think ASA pilots are pretty well respected and these sorts of debates have the potential to lower the esteem that ASA pilots are percieved to have earned.

It is a long winded elaboration of PCL's point, but in there is a little Disney in every passenger carrier operation. Being professional includes looking like the character the passengers expect to see.

Would anyone show up at a UPS interview and insult the brown? Would you tell Delta that double breasted is dorky and inconvenient to button? ASA is an airline job just like any of these.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Fins reminds me of an excellent point. This is an ASA thread. I'm not an ASA pilot. Best of luck to all ASA pilots on your TA.

I herewith retire from this battlefield.

(So few QX threads -- I sometimes feel a little left out.) :bawling:

 

[Rally]

Mr. BS is putting together the new uniform policy for SH that will be enforced shortly. Hats, name tags, no back packs, no slip on shoes, no cotton pants and woman no longer can wear high heels.

This should be good.

Agree with Marine too. When I was young say 1985 I used to be so star struck by the professionalism that pilots carried. Not a thing on the uniform out of place, hat jacket etc. Shoes shined. etc. I have nothing with listening to a ipod in cruise with the door closed but this business of mustard stain shirts needs to stop at one point. You spent alot of time getting there you can wear the uniform proud if you want to be treated like a professional.

 

[lookin4better]

I must admit I am a unifrom 'nazi' too..... you signed up to be an airline pilot.....if you dont like the uniform get another job

 

[USCtrojan]

Where does it say in the FOM that slip on shoes are verboten? It specifies plain toed shoes, but I don't remember a requirement that there be shoelaces.

Good point, boots are allowed, therefore any slip on should be allowed!!

Trojan

 

[shamrock]

Thread hijack

Good point, boots are allowed, therefore any slip on should be allowed!!

Trojan

Screw the pilot hat, the only hat I'm interesting wearing would say "STANFORD" across the front of it.

 

[flylike44]

ok, i'll play. to all you fat, slovenly sob's with the hats...most contracts also contain language pertaining to physical standards. lose about 30 lbs, quit smoking, stop drinking coffee by the gallon while crying about being nervous about your medical that's coming up, and mix in a freaking work out once in a while. you knew it was in the contract when you took the job, so you'd better be in compliance. when you take care of that, we can talk about my hat.

 

[USCtrojan]

Screw the pilot hat, the only hat I'm interesting wearing would say "STANFORD" across the front of it.

Don't start with me you little "be0tch". I don't care how many stripes you wear on your shoulder, you will ALWAYS be my little B!tch.

Trojan