ASA to pull out of DFW

[sweptback]

Looks like a complete pullout. Effective 1/31/05. It sounds like there will be a new domicile at SLC.

 

[73belair]

It said dehub. not complete pull out.

Looks like a complete pullout. Effective 1/31/05. It sounds like there will be a new domicile at SLC.

 

[FL000]

I see a reduction of 202 (all) flight on DCI in DFW, but an increase of only 80-some-odd DCI flights from all other hubs combined. What do you suppose that means?

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=9413

 

[BlackCoffee]

Did he actually say ASA and Delta would be pulled out of DFW completly?

 

[ProLine4]

Closing of DFW Hub

The entire hub is being closed for both Mainline and ASA. It will continue to be served like any other outstation with token flights to the remaining hubs.

Whatever you call it, 1500+ people are being displaced. And thats just the ASA personnel, doesnt even include the mainline job count. This makes me sick.


Delta on Wednesday announced plans for the largest network transformation in its history. These changes provide new growth for ASA at the Atlanta, Cincinnati and Salt Lake City hubs, but also include the termination of all ASA operations at Dallas/Fort Worth effective Jan. 31, 2005.
Additionally, as a result of Delta’s extensive changes at DFW, ASA also will cease operations in Amarillo and Lubbock, Texas. In all, more than 1,500 team members will be impacted by the DFW hub closure.

Delta will begin reducing the Delta Connection flight schedule at DFW on Nov. 1, 2004, to minimize customer impact.

 

[e120pilot]

There will be zero DCI flights in DFW by Feb 05. It says assets will be sent to SLC and CVG. They also announced a lot of flying out of focus cities, which is probably where the other aircraft will go. There are meetings going on right now to explain this to employees, and talk about how we'll be affected. I'll post more when I hear it.

Also notice it doesn't say anything about deferring RJ deliveries or getting rid of DCI aircraft. We'll see......

 

[avrodriver]

NETWORK SPECIFICS
ATL Schedule Total Number of Mainline Delta Seats per
Flights Nonstop Flights Connection Departure
Destinations Flights (DL &DCI)
Current* 970 186 625 345 126
Feb. 2005 1,051 193 688 363 126

DFW Schedule Total Number of Mainline Delta Seats per
Flights Nonstop Flights Connection Departure
Destinations Flights (DL &DCI)
Current* 254 69 52 202 72
Feb. 2005 21 3 21 0 156

CVG Schedule Total Number of Mainline Delta Seats per
Flights Nonstop Flights Connection Departure
Destinations Flights (DL &DCI)
Current* 590 135 155 435 73
Feb. 2005 619 138 156 463 76

SLC Schedule Total Number of Mainline Delta Seats per
Flights Nonstop Flights Connection Departure
Destinations Flights (DL &DCI)
Current* 318 67 92 226 79
Feb. 2005 376 80 113 263 81

*Current = September 2004 schedule

 

[73belair]

well this is going to get fun...

 

[BlackCoffee]

Wow! I wish the best of luck to all the peolpe and families DFW based. I know a lot of people have made it home for a long time. My last job moved me and it was a trying time.

 

[172driver]

Any way you slice it, things look bad for DCI. Adding 83 flights in ATL, SLC, and CVG, while losing 202 in DFW. A net loss of 120 flights for DCI is what I see, unless I'm missing something. Details on which carriers will be most affected are coming, I'm sure.

 

[79%N1]

Sure glad I just moved my wife and I 1/2 way across the country to Dallas and bought a $175,000 home in a neighborhood we like just to get kicked in the nuts like this!!! Thanks ASA!


This is going to be REAL FUN watching 100's maybe 1,000's of ASA and Delta people commuting out of DFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[ProLine4]

Any way you slice it, things look bad for DCI. Adding 83 flights in ATL, SLC, and CVG, while losing 202 in DFW. A net loss of 120 flights for DCI is what I see, unless I'm missing something. Details on which carriers will be most affected are coming, I'm sure.

Based on current network plans, the schedule will be reduced as follows:

• Nov. 1, 2004: 41 flights reduced
• Dec. 1, 2004: 43 flights reduced
• Jan. 1, 2005: 13 flights reduced
• Jan. 31, 2005: All remaining flights (106) reduced

 

[TX_DFW]

Looks like its time for me to call the relator and start looking elsewhere. Anybody have a guess where most of us will be reloacated to?

 

[Long Time Gone]

Message from Skip

Today, Delta is announcing a series of moves to restructure its network. The restructuring, which is the result of Delta’s top-to-bottom strategic review, includes new growth for ASA at the Atlanta, Cincinnati and Salt Lake City hubs, and the termination of all ASA operations at Dallas/Fort Worth effective Jan. 31, 2005. In addition, as a result of Delta’s extensive changes at DFW, ASA also will cease operations in Amarillo and Lubbock, Texas.

While clearly a difficult decision, this announcement underscores the level of restructuring that is required for Delta to achieve long-term viability. As has been made clear by Delta CEO Jerry Grinstein, Delta can no longer afford to operate at losses at any hub and must refocus its resources on markets where it can be profitable.

Due to these changes, ASA will be asked to execute what is to be the largest operational shift in its history – moving 57 aircraft from DFW to new operational roles in Atlanta, Cincinnati and Salt Lake City. With the January changes, Atlanta will represent more than 76 percent of ASA system operations – up from 62 percent today. Salt Lake City, meanwhile, will become the home for 19 CRJ700 aircraft and more than 385 ASA pilots, flight attendants and mechanics. And Cincinnati will feature more than 60 ASA flights, with the operation being supported through Atlanta.

As always, we will respond quickly and efficiently to Delta’s network needs while staying focused on delivering safe, reliable, quality service to our customers, particularly during the transition period at DFW. ASA customers expect and deserve nothing less.

We acknowledge that the transition at DFW will be difficult and are deeply concerned about the impact the hub closure will have on our DFW team members and their families. The DFW team has always demonstrated a desire and willingness to accept any challenge and deliver outstanding operational performance. From the first ASA flight at DFW in 1986 to the single-largest expansion in company history in April 2003, DFW team members have always demonstrated an enviable esprit de corps and performed their jobs with that great sense of Texas pride. As difficult as this change will be, we know we can count on the DFW team to continue to deliver the caring customer service that people have come to expect from ASA at DFW.

Beginning this morning, we will be hosting a series of team meetings at DFW to discuss these changes. Human Resources representatives will be available to talk about job opportunities within the ASA system and to explain the process of expressing interest in available positions. We hope to retain as many of our Texas team members as possible and encourage DFW, AMA and LBB team members to access a new “DFW Transition Web site” on myASA to learn about system job openings and crewmember base transfer procedures.

I firmly believe we are about to enter one of the most exciting, yet challenging, times in our company’s history. The challenges ahead will be significant. But, together, we will meet them as we have met them in the past. The last 25 years have taught us a great deal about teamwork and commitment. I am confident that our team is up for this latest challenge. It will not be easy. It will take all of us working together to ensure we succeed. But when we do, we will have taken one more step towards our goal being the most trusted and respected airline in the Delta Connection program.

Thank you for all you have done, and will do, to ensure we are successful.

Skip

​

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Whoever is in the 'special training' day tomorrow ought to have some pretty interesting info...mine is friday.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

#1. In Feb 2005 Dallas DCI flying will be ZERO -- a reduction of 202 flights per day.

#2. The INCREASES in DCI flying at the other 3 hubs equal 81 flights.

#3. That is a NET DECREASE of 121 DCI flights per day that have not been allocated to the remaining hubs.

Although this chart does not discuss increases in places like JFK, DCA, BOS, LGA, etc... It seems like they are creating the perfect storm with which to threaten Comair with a REDUCTION IN FLYING.

The net decrease is in DCI flying overall. It does NOT mention from which company this decrease may come. This is the perfect opportunity for management to threaten the Comair pilots with potential downsizing.

 

[General Lee]

How about the ACA Dornier flights? Could that be the reduction?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[172driver]

Looks like SKYW and CMR ought to be a little nervous about this. 19 ASA aircraft headed to SLC while only adding 37 flights a day. 60 new ASA flights out of CVG, with a total addition of only 28 flights. Somebody's going to be flying less for sure...

 

[Long Time Gone]

Probably that and some of WigWam (Sheet-ah-gwah). I've heard lots of complaints from pax about them.


LTG

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Anybody that honestly believes management wont use the threat of downsizing/furloughs to solicit concessions at Comair and ASA needs to wake up and smell the coffee burning.

This is not the kind of opportunity management would pass up.

 

[wood pecker]

How is that commuter clause going to work?

 

[CRJ puppy]

80+ increased DCI flights out of other hubs, 31+ new DCI flights out of "focus" cities...adds up to a little over 120 flights to replace the 200+ DCI flights (although some of these flights are Skywest, Chatauqua and CMR) lost in DFW. 55+ CMR flights lost in ATL, 60+ new ASA flights in CVG (all this info came from the myASA web site). I sure hope it IS the DoJet or Chatauqua that loses out here...though certainly it is Chatauqua that will get the increased flying out of Dayton, Columbus, etc (so probably no net gains or losses)...

Time to get the ol' head out of the sand I guess...

 

[CRJ puppy]

How is that commuter clause going to work?

ASA doesn't have a commuter clause.......

 

[wood pecker]

I know, I guess that is why the company does not want us to have one in the new contract.

 

[airksk]

Glad I didn't make that move to DFW this summer. I wonder if mgmt is having second thoughts about showing up to the ops class for everyone who's got it this month?

 

[Palerider957]

GG also mentioned more point to point flying, so I don't think the current flight schedule is necessarly indicitive of in increase or reduction of DCI flying.


57 more planes to ATL??? Where the hell are we going to park 57 more dam.m planes?!?! It's certainly better than losing the planes, but ramp space and congestion are already a bit.ch.

Now I can see why the company is so dead set against a commuter clause, they knew how many people are going to be displaced, and the are TOTALLY merciless in this. The message is clear, if you can't make it to work F*&K you...find a new job.

I'm really glad we expanded DFW so aggressively the past few years. Could there possibly be anymore stress on DFW people?

 

[exphojump]

I counted 99 daily FRJ flights in the June 1, 2004 timetable.

With Chatauqua placing the EMB170 on their certificate will they be booted like FLYi?

I pray DAL stays out of CH 11.

 

[FN FAL]

Was DFW a junior or senior base for ASA?

 

[Medeco]

IM NOT SURE WHY YOU GUUUYS ARE SO SURE IT IS A REDUCTION IN FLYING?

Sorry I m not yelling.

The memo says the timetable with all the flights will be out sept 18th.

this is a Q&A from the company website.


How much bigger will ASA be at Atlanta?
With the new schedule, ASA will operate 337 daily departures at Atlanta, up from 263 today. Replacing 57 Comair flights with ASA flights will account for much of this growth. ASA also expects to see continued growth at Atlanta in 2005, potentially growing to as many as 500 daily departures by year’s end.How can we handle more aircraft in Atlanta?
As part of Delta’s network restructuring, it also is “depeaking” the schedule at Atlanta to increase the number of flights that can operate at the hub. The new schedule eliminates the traditional “flight bank” system and replaces it with a continuous operation with flight arrivals and departures running continuously throughout an 18-hour day. With the new schedule, Delta and ASA will initially increase flights by 28 percent at Atlanta.

This is just the beginning. They also said no pilot jobs will be lost, that is what matters most to those of us with pilot positions.

 

[FL000]

Was DFW a junior or senior base for ASA?

It was very senior 4 years ago, but has gone fairly junior since that time.