ASA Taking Furloughed Delta Pilots?

[ACE]

I seriously hope that ASA taking furloughed Delta pilots and not requiring them to give up thier seniority # is a rumor. If it is not a rumor, what are you guys doing? Why did you allow this?

 

[tbkane]

ACE

With a post like that I really hope that someday your furloughed to. How insensitive can you be.

 

[FL000]

Not that it's any of your business, but:

The furloughed Delta pilots have been welcomed with open arms at ASA. There's no attitude or resentment over the issue, except perhaps with a quiet minority. They are going to the bottom of the list, and at least some of them have worked here before.

With regard to keeping their seniority numbers, that's between them and DAL. It's big D's money to train now and train again when they leave. If they're okay with it, then why should it bother me?

Some are worried about the contract voting issue, but even if they did have a desire to hijack the voting process, which I don't believe, their relatively small numbers wouldn't allow it to happen.

From what I hear, it's possible they could be here for a full contract cycle. Unfortunately for all of us, it's going to be a while before they go back to Delta. So I for one (and I think for many) say "welcome aboard, or welcome back." And good luck getting back to mainline ASAP. Please speak up if there's anything we can do for you in the meantime.

 

[MetroSheriff]

I seriously hope that ASA taking furloughed Delta pilots and not requiring them to give up thier seniority # is a rumor. If it is not a rumor, what are you guys doing? Why did you allow this?

If any of you know ACE, please do us a favor and smack him upside his empty head.

 

[DCAV8R]

From what I understand, ASA currently has 10 Delta pilots on the property with an additional 90 applications on file. I for one am glad to have them. Welcome aboard!

 

[Typhoon1244]

I for one am glad to have them. Welcome aboard!

I couldn't agree more. I'm happy to see these guys working here instead of out looking for non-flying jobs.

I just hope that--since we all work for the same corporation--if I someday get hired by Delta, I get to keep my ASA seniority number. You know, in case things don't work out.

Fair's fair...

 

[bssthound]

Allow me to join my fellow ASA pilots in welcoming the DAL folks onto the property. I'm glad we're able to provide for them in this tough time.

There are several furloughed guys at my Reserve unit. When one attaches friends' names to such an unfortunate turn of events it hits home. I'm more than happy to have the Delta pilots with us.

 

[Wowjack]

Sad to see

Sad to see that DAL pilots are furloughed, whats worse is even though they get to fly again it will be for a lot less money. That's not cool!

 

[surplus1]

I'm sad to see the Delta pilots furloughed too, just like I'm sad to see any pilot furloughed and hope everyone gets back to work asap.

However, if the ASA pilots were furloughed, I can't help but wonder which Delta pilot would be embracing them and welcoming them over at Delta, with or without a retained seniority number. I'll bet there wouldn't be a single one.

You ASA folks remind me of the battered wife who's been taking repeated beatings from her husband. When she finally appears in court and is asked why she didn't leave the so-and-so for all those years of being slapped around she says ... "oh, it's because I love him."

Better wake up to the fact that if those Delta pilots could find a way to displace ASA pilots tomorrow, they would do it without batting an eye, just like the USAirways pilots did. Smell the coffee.

I'd be more than happy to get my company to hire any furloughed pilot who want's a job as soon as that pilot decides which seniority number he wants. Keep two numbers ..... no way. I'll do that for him as soon as he does it for me.

Now flame away all you want.

 

[Typhoon1244]

You ASA folks remind me of the battered wife who's been taking repeated beatings from her husband. When she finally appears in court and is asked why she didn't leave the so-and-so for all those years of being slapped around she says ... "oh, it's because I love him."

Good analogy.

The fact is, though, that somebody has to stick out the first olive branch or else there will be no peace among the Delta, Inc. pilot groups. This is our chance to show the Delta guys we're not the scumbags they think we are.

Maybe things will be different when we need their help someday...

 

[FL000]

The fact is, though, that somebody has to stick out the first olive branch or else there will be no peace among the Delta, Inc. pilot groups

Typhoon,

Exactly what I was thinking. I can't sit around and worry about "what if...". The fact is that they are furloughed and we are hiring. Hypotheticals do not apply.

Besides, they were hiring ASA pilots like crazy when things were good. Why would it be any different if they were hiring and we were furloughing?

 

[FlyingSig]

However, if the ASA pilots were furloughed, I can't help but wonder which Delta pilot would be embracing them and welcoming them over at Delta, with or without a retained seniority number. I'll bet there wouldn't be a single one.

Surplus, I'm not sure I understand your post. I had 5 ASA pilots and 2 Comair pilots in my DAL newhire class and all were welcomed with open arms. Are you saying that if the tables were turned, and ASA was furloughing while Delta was hiring, that suddenly these same pilots would not be welcome?

If the tables were indeed turned, how many of these new pilots would return to ASA after recalls started. To quote you, I'll bet there wouldn't be a single one.

I'd be more than happy to get my company to hire any furloughed pilot who want's a job as soon as that pilot decides which seniority number he wants. Keep two numbers ..... no way. I'll do that for him as soon as he does it for me.

See, that's the thing about double standards. Your company does hire furloughed pilots without making them resign their senority. They have done so for furloughed CoEx , Eagle , and Midway pilots. They even hired a few UAL pilots who were still current in the CRJ without a resignation. They do however require Delta, American, and NWA pilots to resign their senority numbers. Yes, it is more likely that a major pilot will accept recall vs. a pilot who has made a lateral move.... but a double standard none the less.

 

[Krusty]

Good one Surlpus1!

Yea, smell the coffee!

You young low time ASA guys are just drinking too much company Koolaid, and wouldn't want to upset a chance to kiss up to a couple premadonna Delta guys that wouldn't have given you the time of day one year ago.

I see it now, you happen to be a new Capt on the RJ and get a Delta Guy as an FO and you say, " Hey, this is great to fly with you, since you have all that great time and all, flyin' all that 737 and stuff. How am I doin'? Do you think Delta might hire me, or now that we have flown together, can you give me a recommendation?"

 

[ACE]

Surplus and Krusty,

I could not agree with you more. Notice Comair was not approached with this. Why? Because we don't roll over and take it. Before they were furloughed, Delta pilots wanted nothing to do with Comair or ASA. We were the enemy. Delta pilots were too good to fly RJ's. Now they change their mind when its convenient. Just keep drinking the Kool Aid ASA!!! You guys just underminded your Comair brothers that were on your side and actually did fight for you. I would like to here more Comair pilots views on this besides surplus, krusty and myself. I know we are not alone.

 

[tbkane]

I just figured it out your name is ACE Hole!

 

[FL000]

whhewww! What's that smell? I think it's...it's...SOUR GRAPES!

Company Kook Aid?? Yeah, I want DAL, Inc. to do well, and I don't mind helping out a brother on the street. Guilty as charged.

You may not be alone, but you are definitely the extreme minority, just like the Delta pilots who have it out for DCI/WO. You all just need to go sit in the corner for a while.

Y'all are ridiculous.

 

[surplus1]

Surplus, I'm not sure I understand your post. I had 5 ASA pilots and 2 Comair pilots in my DAL newhire class and all were welcomed with open arms. Are you saying that if the tables were turned, and ASA was furloughing while Delta was hiring, that suddenly these same pilots would not be welcome?

That's a whole different scene. All of those pilots you mentioned resigned from ASA or CMR to go to Delta. That's very different. I would welcome any Delta pilot that resigned from Delta. My only objection is the double seniority number. Which CMR or ASA pilot do you think Delta would hire if that pilot could keep his number at the former airline?

What I am saying is that if ASA and CMR were furloughing, Delta pilots would not be supporting (IMO) there being hired at Delta while retaining their ASA and CMR numbers. Doesn't Delta require its new hires to resign?

If the tables were indeed turned, how many of these new pilots would return to ASA after recalls started. To quote you, I'll bet there wouldn't be a single one.

I'll bet you're right. There is no question that Delta is the better job, provided that is you're not furloughed for 5 or 7 years. Sometimes a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

See, that's the thing about double standards. Your company does hire furloughed pilots without making them resign their senority. They have done so for furloughed CoEx , Eagle , and Midway pilots. They even hired a few UAL pilots who were still current in the CRJ without a resignation. They do however require Delta, American, and NWA pilots to resign their senority numbers. Yes, it is more likely that a major pilot will accept recall vs. a pilot who has made a lateral move.... but a double standard none the less.

That's a new one on me. I am not aware that Comair hires furloughed pilots from anywhere that retain their seniority numbers at their previous airline. Can you substantiate that?

I could see management's "logic" (for want of a better word) because a pilot is not likely to return to those airlines from Comair and I don't see it as a "lateral move". Midway is defunct, and the other two are hardly "lateral". However, I don't agree with a double standard. If we hire one with a retained seniority number, then we should hire all.

Don't misunderstand, I'm not against Delta pilots at all. I just don't want to hire ANY pilot with a double seniority number. Do Delta, American and NWA hire pilots with double seniority numbers? I don't think so. Why should we?

Sorry, but I don't want anyone on my list who "belongs" somewhere else. If you're just here building time or waiting for your return to your superior life, I would rather you not come at all. Leave the slot for those that want to be here. I guess I'm weird but I don't want to be a stepping stone for anyone. We worked too hard to fall into that cliche. If you're here and you want to leave that's fine, quit. We'll help you to do that. Don't come with that in mind.

If it's your "first job", then I can live with it because you don't know any better. Everyone has stars in their eyes when they first start out. After a while you learn. Those that have already learned somewhere else, can make up their minds. Give up your number and you're welcome. Don't and you're not one of us and won't ever be. Why should we waste time and energy on that? No one does it for us.

As for making peace, I'm all for that but its a two way street. I would never surrender in order to make "peace" and be occupied by a Trojan Horse. Those who want a real "peace" can do it any time they want. We aren't the obstacle to peace.

Regards,

 

[Airline Pilot27]

Surplus1

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[Humblepilot]

So?

Ace,

So if I follow your logic, as a former United pilot I should resign my seniority to come fly with you?

Btw....did you enjoy the food when I was writing checks to the foodbank when you were on strike? I wrote two because I was still on probation and they weren't deducting from our paychecks.
You didn't have any problem taking my money and now you want my seniority number....rightttttttttttttttttt.

Remind yourself who your friends are. We were the ones standing behind you. Now that this fight is over, you want to ignore that.

And before you make the argument, you can't have a different policy based on where the furloughee comes from.

Good luck
Humble

 

[Krusty]

This isn't a UAL thing at all.

It is just stupid attitude and conflict between DAL and WO's.

If it is strike talk you want, let me be the first on here to thank you and all who supported us during the strike, UAL, UPS(IPA), DHL, NWA, USA, Peidmont, ACA, ASA,!.
I personally saw a member of each of the above airlines walk the picket line with us, without their respective MEC's or unions telling them to, They kindly walked by and offered to walk for two minutes or two hours, or just had words of encouargement, alot of UAL guys, and I even saw a UAL Capt with a ALPA 20 year pin offering to donate money from his wallet!!!!!!!!!!

What specific airline wasn't mentioned, DAL!

They walked at that time, but for them selves, for a different matter.
When I happened to be in MSP during the strike and I bumped into a couple NWA pilots, they all were proud of us and had nothing positive to say about DAL.

This is just about DAL and there attitude that were aren't actuall airline pilots and can't do there job, what?

I do a V-1 cut just like the rest in a checkride.