ASA-- Take a Hike Willie-- It's confirmed

[PalmettoPilot]

Anyone seen FLICA yet? Message from VP Flt Ops says Willie is "moving on to other duties in the company" The guy replacing him is apparently a 200 FO.

My 2 questions...
What are Willie's "other duties"... is he now head of labor negotiations or should I expect to see him holding orange wands on the ramp in an ice storm?

Who is this FO? Did he come off the seniority list?

 

[atrdriver]

The FO that is taking over for Willie is a good guy. He was originally on the ATR, and then went to the GO as a process engineer. I flew with him several times before he went over there, and I am convinced that as long as no one forces him to make bad lines he will do a good job for us.

 

[IFlyFL410]

I hope you're right. Although, it probably will not be until April til we see any changes,since the lines for March have probably already been built.

 

[Headfake14]

The lines for March are on the MYASA site...Flt ops/crew scheduling/pilot bid packages. A little bit better. I bet April will be better as well.

I flew with Watts also...I was very happy to see the change over. Watts also helped design some parts of the "New C" which of course is on hold now.

 

[IFlyFL410]

I never knew you could look up the bid packages on myASA. When do they get posted on there?

 

["GO AROUND"]

SKW still wants to get the cost for the upgrades down more and they are having trouble doing it. They want it around 200 mil and they are around 250 mil.

Was talking to a CP the other day and he had nothing but good things to say about Engberg the new sched. guy. Said he has been knocking heads and attitudes in scheduling. Even got rid of Dottie and Hackett's offices by taking down the top part of their cubicles so everyone else can see that they are'nt doing anything. He has addressed all those RIF complaints by pilots about schedulers that Willie had shoved in a corner. Also said he sends proactive emails to the CP's about scheduling screw ups. I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw one. He seems to have a level head and realized that noone in scheduling really had know idea how to properly utilize our pilots. This coming from a guy that has no scheduling experience, but has common sense to see things like that.

We'll see how long it takes for him to be corrupted or if he can resist the brainwashing.

 

[=w=]

I never knew you could look up the bid packages on myASA. When do they get posted on there?

You can usually find them a day or two in advance there... having them up this early is not very common!

 

[fsworld]

They added 19 lines to the 200! Now if I could move up 20 a month (like everyone says we do and I have yet to see and Im at the bottom of the list) Id be set!

 

[sXeflyer]

The trips look great in march for the 200, but the average block is around 75-78 hours. WTF! Some of us actually want to fly more than guarantee.

 

[IFlyFL410]

Well, in order for the lines to be have better schedules, the sacrifice was block time, probably!?!?!?

 

[fsworld]

The trips look great in march for the 200, but the average block is around 75-78 hours. WTF! Some of us actually want to fly more than guarantee.

Some of us at the bottom of the list who are only flying single digit numbers every month would like to fly too. We would also like a schedule. And on top of that the company can save money by flying everyone up to 75 hours rather than flying some over 75 hours and others none. So do you think you could spare a few hours and let others get garrentee also? Or at least get lines? If you do the math you can create more lines at 75 hours each than you can at 85 hours each.

 

[sXeflyer]

cry me a river

Some of us at the bottom of the list who are only flying single digit numbers every month would like to fly too. We would also like a schedule. And on top of that the company can save money by flying everyone up to 75 hours rather than flying some over 75 hours and others none. So do you think you could spare a few hours and let others get garrentee also? Or at least get lines? If you do the math you can create more lines at 75 hours each than you can at 85 hours each.

Eat a fat one fsworld! some of us on the bottom! wah, you'll do what,4 months on reserve. Suck it up. I spent 2.5 YEARS on reserve when I was hired there. Pay your dues, and you will EVENTUALLY be rewarded. And that is in no way an alpa dig.

 

[IFlyFL410]

Some of us at the bottom of the list who are only flying single digit numbers every month would like to fly too. We would also like a schedule. And on top of that the company can save money by flying everyone up to 75 hours rather than flying some over 75 hours and others none. So do you think you could spare a few hours and let others get garrentee also? Or at least get lines? If you do the math you can create more lines at 75 hours each than you can at 85 hours each.

Yeah, you'll be eating those words one day when you're holding a hard line that's only worth 78 hours.

 

[Blucher]

Easy Kiddies

Take it easy there kids. No reason to jump all over the new guy building the lines just yet. More lines built closer to 75-80 hours are a pretty decent compromise. Those line holders that want more time, pick it up. Doesn't sound like there'll be a whole lot of 30/7 type conflicts with a line like that. Those on reserve that are close to a line and want a line, better chance of getting one with more out there. The company wants to utilize the pilot force it's already paying at least 75 hours, so this stategy works for them too. Those that are on reserve towards the bottom and want a line....sucks to be you, but we've all been there. I suggest taking up a new hobby.
I seem to remember not too long ago the look on a mainline jumpseater's face when we told him how many hours we averaged per month just to pay the rent and feed our families (both Captain and I were in the mid-high 90's). He had just finished bitching about how he'd flown "almost 70 hours last month" as though it was a crime against humanity for the company to work him that much. It's all perspective, and just remember, if you can't see the silver lining, try looking at it from a different angle.

-Blucher

 

[IFlyFL410]

Very well said.

 

[restart]

Some of us at the bottom of the list who are only flying single digit numbers every month would like to fly too. We would also like a schedule. And on top of that the company can save money by flying everyone up to 75 hours rather than flying some over 75 hours and others none. So do you think you could spare a few hours and let others get garrentee also? Or at least get lines? If you do the math you can create more lines at 75 hours each than you can at 85 hours each.

Are you at least holding a good line (making garrentee) in the FSWORLD?

 

[fsworld]

No im not, i suck at FSWorld (figure Skating) but I love watching it on tv. I cant wait for the olympics!

 

[79%N1]

Yeah, you'll be eating those words one day when you're holding a hard line that's only worth 78 hours.

Yea, especially when your a 4-5 year FO with a family and mortgage and you need 85-90 hours of FO pay(and a second job) just to make ends meet!

 

[puddlejumper101]

its very hard to please all 1700 of us...as long as the trips make sense...and the lines are workable then its all good. Initial open time was made to pick up time right? as far as being on the bottom...it sucks but guess what??? WE ALL WERE THERE...I remember being on the bottom last year at this time and honestly being worked to death. They drove us reserves to the ground...yeah sure its nice to fly 90 hours a month but not when scheduling controls all 90 of your hours. reserve sucks weather you fly or not...trust me...1.5 years of reserve on the left seat and all 1.5 sucked weather I flew or not.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

I absolutely detest the attitudes of those of us who believe in paying dues. I am sorry, nobody needs to pay dues (except ALPA members). This is just one more way that we pilots make our lives miserable without management's help. Seniority just means your a$$ walked in the door before someone else's and that your a$$ will walk out the door after the junior folks during bankruptcy. There is nothing wrong with wanting a better schedule ya darn hippocrite!

And don't bother flaming me as a junior guy. I have enough years to be considered "senior" since seniority is all relative anyway.

 

[MELIT]

The trips look great in march for the 200, but the average block is around 75-78 hours. WTF! Some of us actually want to fly more than guarantee.

Some people you can never make happy. You are one of them.

 

[Tim47SIP]

Common Sense!!!!

This coming from a guy that has no scheduling experience, but has common sense to see things like that.

Anyone with common sense could have figured that fiasco out. Willie asked me a couple of times when I questioned him about the way he did business concerning scheduling reserves to let him know if I could do it better. I said hell yes, so me and an ex Trans States scheduler came up with a spread sheet (we were on perpetual reserves) that would handle his reserve system. It would be totally automatic. He said no way, it wouldn't work. I realized that he didn't want any system that he had to be held accountable for. He was always nice to me, but he was incompetent. Now, if we could also get rid of GG, things may continue to improve!:smash:

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

I do believe Gary is gone also.

 

[sweptback]

No im not, i suck at FSWorld (figure Skating) but I love watching it on tv. I cant wait for the olympics!

Please tell me you are female!

 

["GO AROUND"]

Gary did get moved to manager of labor relations. Something like that.

 

[Blucher]

A rose by any other name

Gary did get moved to manager of labor relations. Something like that.

You are correct, however, they've changed it to "people relations." We wouldn't want to offend anyone by actually admitting who does the labor around here. Sort of like calling them "management," when what they should really be called is "mis-management." Words change people's perception and therefore can become dangerous. The more simple the language, the more truth you're getting. Much of the "work" they seem to do over at the GO involves simply coming up with new titles and wording for stuff that's always been there, just under a different name.

-Blucher

-Blucher

 

[atlcrashpad]

Gary Gone
Willie Gone
Great Start... Bouyyyyyy.........

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Be careful about getting too excited. Gary is now the head of labor relations. In a nutshell, that means he's the guy sitting across the table during contract negotiations and greivance hearings. I don't imagine he's going to be particularly "user friendly" there. In a nutshell, he's now Thibadeux and Randy Martin rolled into one.

 

[Tim47SIP]

He hated us then, He'll hate us now!

You are correct, however, they've changed it to "people relations."


Well for Gary, that is an oxymoron! If they put him in there, that means grievances or human resource issues will be difficult at best to get through. Remember, they put individuals in this position far a reason. It is unequivocally not to make things work better when there are problems with personnel issues. He is there to determine punitive actions when the company is pursuing such actions. Good luck to us all!

 

[HoserASA]

Remember, they put individuals in this position far a reason. quote]

Not neccessarily Tim. Some have been 'demoted' by being promoted, and place in areas (corners?) of the company never to be heard from again. Remember that guy that was ATL Airport Director? See, I can't even recall his name! He's at the G/O and we never hear about him.

Hell, even old Walt has a new job, and we never see him! Just kidding there, Walt's in charge of Lisa Walker's coffee pot now, and I do see him occasionally cruising the hallways with coffee cup in hand, three cell phones hanging from his belt, and a walkie talkie that he talks into but receives nothing! Maybe someone will tell Walt that the batteries are dead someday.

Hoser