ASA Tabular Test

[johnpeace]

CFI2766: As far as I know, the early September interviewees (like myself) were the last to get the basic aeronautical knowledge written.

I'm in class now, everyone in my class got the 50 question ATP written style test at their interviews.

And WTF does this have to do with aviation anyhow? I'm an ASA captain, and would surely fail this test. I'm not a numbers person. Does this mean I should be fired?

Flying is, at it's core, an exercise in information management. The user interface to this information is the flight controls and instruments and the goal is to control the airplane...but it's all information management.

Very well respected studies have proven that applicants who do well on tabular speed tests will also do well in the sim and later in the airplane. Conversely, applicants who do poorly on these tests will need more help in the sim and more IOE.

The test is a way to weed out weak applicants.

This is probably important now that they're taking 300 hr applicants who have no actual instrument flying experience, no experience outside of training and little to no decision making experience.

 

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And WTF does this have to do with aviation anyhow? I'm an ASA captain, and would surely fail this test. I'm not a numbers person. Does this mean I should be fired?

How's this test any different than playing Battleship?

When I interviewed the first question on ASA's evaluation was, "Is this candidate kind of pilot that I'd like to fly a month of four day trips with?" It seemed like a pretty good question to ask the interviewer, which back then was always a Captain not too far removed from line flying.

It worked well. The E120 was quite a rascal to train and fly. ASA overall had, and has, a good rep.

 

[777forever]

I'm in class now, everyone in my class got the 50 question ATP written style test at their interviews.



Flying is, at it's core, an exercise in information management. The user interface to this information is the flight controls and instruments and the goal is to control the airplane...but it's all information management.

Very well respected studies have proven that applicants who do well on tabular speed tests will also do well in the sim and later in the airplane. Conversely, applicants who do poorly on these tests will need more help in the sim and more IOE.

The test is a way to weed out weak applicants.

This is probably important now that they're taking 300 hr applicants who have no actual instrument flying experience, no experience outside of training and little to no decision making experience.

I agree. Personally, I thought the test was a joke. Someone not passing it may have some sort of learning or aptitude disability.

 

[johnpeace]

It seemed like a pretty good question to ask the interviewer

I think they are still evaluating applicants on their instrument flying skills/knowledge, personality type and demeanor.

They've just added a cognitive aptitude evaluation to the whole process.

I'm with 777forever on this...anyone who has made it to an airline interview ought to have no trouble with it. It's simply a test of one's innate cognitive ability.

 

[OpsCheckGood]

I have a handy little tool I carry with me to handle the math portion of aviation. It's called an FO. Works well and is voice activated.

 

[shamrock]

And a twist on that, telling pilots to "respond with call sign only", then giving them crossing instructions. If they blow it, no job. Seems some bonehead always screws that up too, and his lengthy read back causes someone to miss the crossing window.

In their defense, this generally isn't an issue with our new-hires (they're too busy calling ramp from the south side of 9L/27R), it's usually another DCI carrier with an occasional Delta thrown in for variety.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I have a handy little tool I carry with me to handle the math portion of aviation. It's called an FO. Works well and is voice activated.

And when it doesn't work right, you just beat it with a flashlight.

 

[centralpilot]

And when it doesn't work right, you just beat it with a flashlight.

Nice

 

[medfly]

Thanks

Thanks for the help

 

[TOOL CRIB]

And when it doesn't work right, you just beat it with a flashlight.

Now I understand why you're not quite right in the head!! Makes perfect sense!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Now I understand why you're not quite right in the head!! Makes perfect sense!

Um... hello? I don't really beat my FOs. That was meant to be a joke. If you can't develop, rent, or borrow a sense of humor, then I can't help you.

 

[N1VIBS]

Now I understand why you're not quite right in the head!! Makes perfect sense![/quote

I agree!! Why take a chance on possibly breaking your flashlight. There is a perfectly good crash axe right there in the cockpit!!

(By the way Tool Crib, lighten up. You take this stuff much too seriously!!)

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Um... hello? I don't really beat my FOs. That was meant to be a joke. If you can't develop, rent, or borrow a sense of humor, then I can't help you.

I meant that's what happened to you AS an FO

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Now I understand why you're not quite right in the head!! Makes perfect sense![/quote

I agree!! Why take a chance on possibly breaking your flashlight. There is a perfectly good crash axe right there in the cockpit!!

(By the way Tool Crib, lighten up. You take this stuff much too seriously!!)

That was lightened up! Next time I will put LOL OMG in for you.