ASA Tabular Test

[medfly]

What the heck is this? I already checked aviationinterviews.

 

[johnpeace]

rows and columns of numbers.

x axis from -17 to +17
y axis from -17 to +17

You get 50 questions with coordinates and have to find the number at the intersection of those coordinates.

Then match the number to a multiple choice answer and put that on your answer sheet.

9 minutes.

It's a measure of cognitive aptitude. You can either do it or you can't. If you're a pilot, my guess is you probably can.

 

[CFI2766]

Must be new. I didn't have this when I interviewed -gulp - two years ago.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Must be new. I didn't have this when I interviewed -gulp - two years ago.

Since most of our applicants have little aeronautical experience, they had to come up with something new to cull the herd.

 

[Max Q]

CFI2766: As far as I know, the early September interviewees (like myself) were the last to get the basic aeronautical knowledge written.

-Brett

 

[John Pennekamp]

rows and columns of numbers.

x axis from -17 to +17
y axis from -17 to +17

You get 50 questions with coordinates and have to find the number at the intersection of those coordinates.

Then match the number to a multiple choice answer and put that on your answer sheet.

9 minutes.

It's a measure of cognitive aptitude. You can either do it or you can't. If you're a pilot, my guess is you probably can.

And WTF does this have to do with aviation anyhow? I'm an ASA captain, and would surely fail this test. I'm not a numbers person. Does this mean I should be fired?

I'd much rather have a new FO who knows the regs, has the skills, and has a good attitude, than a nerd brainiac who's really good at numbers puzzles. At least he'll be able to do the suduku in the Delta magazine on those long flights.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Another new test is being added at the request of the ATL controllers. You are given a hold short clearance from ATC, and it is your job to read it back correctly in three attempts or less.

I'm pretty sure ATL is getting tired of having to request pilots read back the words "hold short" accompanied with the correct runway and intersection.

Ready, set, go. "Acey 123, hold short of runway 26L at intersection B4."

 

[Stifler's Mom]

At least he'll be able to do the suduku in the Delta magazine on those long flights.

Speaking of, the difficult puzzle in this month's Sky Magazine is kicking my ass. Anybody figure it out?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Another new test is being added at the request of the ATL controllers. You are given a hold short clearance from ATC, and it is your job to read it back correctly in three attempts or less.

I'm pretty sure ATL is getting tired of having to request pilots read back the words "hold short" accompanied with the correct runway and intersection.

Ready, set, go. "Acey 123, hold short of runway 26L at intersection B4."

And a twist on that, telling pilots to "respond with call sign only", then giving them crossing instructions. If they blow it, no job. Seems some bonehead always screws that up too, and his lengthy read back causes someone to miss the crossing window.

 

[Max Q]

...Ready, set, go. "Acey 123, hold short of runway 26L at intersection B4."

"Hold short"

BZZZzzzz!!!!

"Hold short uuhhhh... at B4... short of... i mean hol[heterodyne]"

BZZZzzzz!!!!

"Acey 123's holding short!!!!"

Fail.

-Brett

 

[Stifler's Mom]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[av8rbama]

CFI2766: As far as I know, the early September interviewees (like myself) were the last to get the basic aeronautical knowledge written.

-Brett

They're still doing the same aeronautical knowledge test as they've been doing for a long time, they've added the tabular test.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Speaking of, the difficult puzzle in this month's Sky Magazine is kicking my ass. Anybody figure it out?

Yup, 7 hours and 873 minutes after starting, but d(arn) you McFly, I finished it.

:nuts:

 

[Flybywire44]

They're still doing the same aeronautical knowledge test as they've been doing for a long time, they've added the tabular test.

av8rbama are you sure its the same old knowledge test plus the new tabular? I heard the new test was a different 50 question aeronautical test. My source may have not been reputable. Help?

 

[Jmoney]

Fit Right In.....

They really need a test to see if you will eat your own puke and ask for seconds-they will then see that you will fit right in!

 

[johnpeace]

CFI2766: As far as I know, the early September interviewees (like myself) were the last to get the basic aeronautical knowledge written.

I'm in class now, everyone in my class got the 50 question ATP written style test at their interviews.

And WTF does this have to do with aviation anyhow? I'm an ASA captain, and would surely fail this test. I'm not a numbers person. Does this mean I should be fired?

Flying is, at it's core, an exercise in information management. The user interface to this information is the flight controls and instruments and the goal is to control the airplane...but it's all information management.

Very well respected studies have proven that applicants who do well on tabular speed tests will also do well in the sim and later in the airplane. Conversely, applicants who do poorly on these tests will need more help in the sim and more IOE.

The test is a way to weed out weak applicants.

This is probably important now that they're taking 300 hr applicants who have no actual instrument flying experience, no experience outside of training and little to no decision making experience.

 

[~~~^~~~]

And WTF does this have to do with aviation anyhow? I'm an ASA captain, and would surely fail this test. I'm not a numbers person. Does this mean I should be fired?

How's this test any different than playing Battleship?

When I interviewed the first question on ASA's evaluation was, "Is this candidate kind of pilot that I'd like to fly a month of four day trips with?" It seemed like a pretty good question to ask the interviewer, which back then was always a Captain not too far removed from line flying.

It worked well. The E120 was quite a rascal to train and fly. ASA overall had, and has, a good rep.

 

[777forever]

I'm in class now, everyone in my class got the 50 question ATP written style test at their interviews.



Flying is, at it's core, an exercise in information management. The user interface to this information is the flight controls and instruments and the goal is to control the airplane...but it's all information management.

Very well respected studies have proven that applicants who do well on tabular speed tests will also do well in the sim and later in the airplane. Conversely, applicants who do poorly on these tests will need more help in the sim and more IOE.

The test is a way to weed out weak applicants.

This is probably important now that they're taking 300 hr applicants who have no actual instrument flying experience, no experience outside of training and little to no decision making experience.

I agree. Personally, I thought the test was a joke. Someone not passing it may have some sort of learning or aptitude disability.

 

[johnpeace]

It seemed like a pretty good question to ask the interviewer

I think they are still evaluating applicants on their instrument flying skills/knowledge, personality type and demeanor.

They've just added a cognitive aptitude evaluation to the whole process.

I'm with 777forever on this...anyone who has made it to an airline interview ought to have no trouble with it. It's simply a test of one's innate cognitive ability.

 

[OpsCheckGood]

I have a handy little tool I carry with me to handle the math portion of aviation. It's called an FO. Works well and is voice activated.

 

[shamrock]

And a twist on that, telling pilots to "respond with call sign only", then giving them crossing instructions. If they blow it, no job. Seems some bonehead always screws that up too, and his lengthy read back causes someone to miss the crossing window.

In their defense, this generally isn't an issue with our new-hires (they're too busy calling ramp from the south side of 9L/27R), it's usually another DCI carrier with an occasional Delta thrown in for variety.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I have a handy little tool I carry with me to handle the math portion of aviation. It's called an FO. Works well and is voice activated.

And when it doesn't work right, you just beat it with a flashlight.

 

[centralpilot]

And when it doesn't work right, you just beat it with a flashlight.

Nice

 

[medfly]

Thanks

Thanks for the help

 

[TOOL CRIB]

And when it doesn't work right, you just beat it with a flashlight.

Now I understand why you're not quite right in the head!! Makes perfect sense!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Now I understand why you're not quite right in the head!! Makes perfect sense!

Um... hello? I don't really beat my FOs. That was meant to be a joke. If you can't develop, rent, or borrow a sense of humor, then I can't help you.

 

[N1VIBS]

Now I understand why you're not quite right in the head!! Makes perfect sense![/quote

I agree!! Why take a chance on possibly breaking your flashlight. There is a perfectly good crash axe right there in the cockpit!!

(By the way Tool Crib, lighten up. You take this stuff much too seriously!!)

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Um... hello? I don't really beat my FOs. That was meant to be a joke. If you can't develop, rent, or borrow a sense of humor, then I can't help you.

I meant that's what happened to you AS an FO

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Now I understand why you're not quite right in the head!! Makes perfect sense![/quote

I agree!! Why take a chance on possibly breaking your flashlight. There is a perfectly good crash axe right there in the cockpit!!

(By the way Tool Crib, lighten up. You take this stuff much too seriously!!)

That was lightened up! Next time I will put LOL OMG in for you.