ASA: SH says FO's are going to Delta

[FORESTGUMP]

Its just sounds real stupid for someone to automatically assume all the new hires were "minorities". Sounds like he has a chip on his shoulder. Maybe a black man, or a Mexican woman, or and Asian intern got the Job over him somewhere else??? It is actually the opposite when a "minority" goes in for an interview at any job. He/She already has one strike against him/her because they are a minority. That is the real world!!! I'm not pulling any race cards, but when a "minority" sits in front of an interviewer, he/she has a preconceived notion of what his/her background is and other retarded stereotypes. I personally believe that hiring should be based on simply the qualifications of the applicant. not cuz, "we don't have enough females or blacks etc etc in the company". but for you to say the only reasons why these folks got hired cuz they are a "minority" is asinine. Because you take everything they worked hard for, away from them.

Look you moron. A couple years ago, Delta and the AJC made a HUGE spectacle of the SPECIAL MINORITY PROGRAM Delta set up through some college (UND I think or maybe central michigan). ALL the "students" were either black or female (if I remember correctly, they were all black including the females). They were QUARANTEED a job with Delta Connection and QUARANTEED an interview with Delta after a specified amount of time.

It was played up as "helping the disadvantaged minorities". The silly thing about it was once you read their "bio's" NONE of them were "disadvantaged". They were investament bankers, engineers, sim instructors, accountants, etc.

Face it: they got free tuition, flying and QUARANTEED jobs/interviews BECAUSE THEY WERE BLACK! Not because they were qualified in ANY way.

Theres no chip. Its just a statement of FACT.
http://www.csrwire.com/PressRelease.php?id=547

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Delta has hired some of ASA best and absolute worst.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Why is it that every time the majors start hiring the minority issue comes with it. The simple fact is that if you pick any 10 airliner flt decks you may find one minority. The actual percentage of minority flight deck officers is in the single digits. The DL program Forest speaks of took 40 participants. That is 40 minorities out of over 6,000 pilots, you do the math.

The simple fact is that the golden jobs we all seek at the majors is more likely to go to a SWM than any other group.

 

[FishandFly]

I hate to contradict what you're saying, but I bet you a 20 that a minority or woman is more likely to be offered jobs than a white male.

The fact that there are fewer minorities or woman in a cockpit is irrelevant unless you take into account the number of those same groups who are actually in aviation.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

You actually made my point. Affirmative action or not, the percentage of minorities in aviation is very small. The comptetition is comprised of mostly SWM than from any other group. So why all the drama?

We all use any leverage we can to get in the door. Be it your daddy knows a CP or your buddy is a check airman. Everybody has to go through and pass the same training program.

 

[PCL_128]

Why is it that every time the majors start hiring the minority issue comes with it. The simple fact is that if you pick any 10 airliner flt decks you may find one minority. The actual percentage of minority flight deck officers is in the single digits. The DL program Forest speaks of took 40 participants. That is 40 minorities out of over 6,000 pilots, you do the math.

The raw numbers don't mean anything. What matters is looking at the percentages and the qualifications. When only 5% of the applicants are minorities, but 10% of the people that actually get hired are minorities, then something ain't right. Especially when you look at their quals and realize that the women are getting hired with half the PIC time or less compared to their white male counterparts.

Look, all of us want everyone to get a fair shake. What we don't want is for someone to get special treatment simply because they have a certain racial background or a set of tits.

 

[FORESTGUMP]

Why is it that every time the majors start hiring the minority issue comes with it. The simple fact is that if you pick any 10 airliner flt decks you may find one minority. The actual percentage of minority flight deck officers is in the single digits. The DL program Forest speaks of took 40 participants. That is 40 minorities out of over 6,000 pilots, you do the math.

The simple fact is that the golden jobs we all seek at the majors is more likely to go to a SWM than any other group.

you miss the point my friend. Its not about the % on the deck. Its about the "golden ticket" you and I don't have a chance to use. Believe me, if I was a woman OR a minority (especially a MINORITY WOMAN) I would invoke my right to move to the head of the line. Qualified or not!

I came from solidly LOWER middle class. My folks had mediocre jobs (but they were ALWAYS employed), lived in mediocre homes (even a trailer in a trailer park after our house burned when we were on "vacation" when I was about 4 and oh by the way my new puppy died the same day we got back to find the house gone), they never went to college (nor had anyone else in our family).

So, theres your tragedy, misfortune and UNDER privilege. I still made it happen by WORKING and paying my way to my ratings then doing whatever it took to get the time and EXPERIENCE to get a "decent" job.

ANY minority could do the same if they REALLY wanted.

 

[FishandFly]

You actually made my point. Affirmative action or not, the percentage of minorities in aviation is very small. The comptetition is comprised of mostly SWM than from any other group. So why all the drama?

We all use any leverage we can to get in the door. Be it your daddy knows a CP or your buddy is a check airman. Everybody has to go through and pass the same training program.

If I made your point, you are dismissing any understanding of the concept of fairness and equality.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Sorry to prolong the hijack, but....

As long as pop African-American culture derides those who seek knowledge and education in favor of the RETARDED "gangsta" image, there will be a disproportionate amount of Minorities in Prison and not in the cockpit

simple as that

 

[atlcrjdriver]

If I made your point, you are dismissing any understanding of the concept of fairness and equality.

I also come from a middle class family and had to bust my hump for every hour to earn every rating just as most people on this board. I am not condoning preferential hiring to any group or nationality. All I am saying is to but it in perspective. You are FAR more likely to see some brat with a silver spoon in his mouth that daddy paid for every flight hour and then got him his job with far less experience then you will a minority in the flight deck.

Neither scenerio is right but it happens.

 

[Rally]

QUARANTEED? How long where they kept QUARANTEED? Did they have rabies?

 

[pdub20s]

On a sidenote, do you think this is right?

http://www.obap.org/

Yes I do! I am actually a member. Its a great organization to network through and meet a lot of nice guys and gals. And not all members are black either. One of my good friends in OBAP is white.

Coopervane, I agree with you. This hip-hop culture is rotting the brains of young minorities. They rather put down a book and pick up a Microphone or a Kilo of Cocaine. What they see on TV gives a distorted view of reality. And sad to say, some parents are ok with letting the TV raise their kids

 

[PCL_128]

Yes I do! I am actually a member. Its a great organization to network through and meet a lot of nice guys and gals. And not all members are black either. One of my good friends in OBAP is white.

So would it be ok for someone to start OWAP? Or would that be "racist?" Afterall, it would just be an "organization to network through and meet a lot of nice guys and gals."

 

[pdub20s]

So would it be ok for someone to start OWAP? Or would that be "racist?" Afterall, it would just be an "organization to network through and meet a lot of nice guys and gals."

They do have one, its called the KKK. lol jk. but for real, whites are not a minority in this country,

 

[PCL_128]

They do have one, its called the KKK. lol jk.

Yeah, real funny.

but for real, whites are not a minority in this country,

What does that have to do with anything? You think you get special rights simply because you belong to a minority group? Women aren't even in the minority, but they have WIA.

The question stands: would you have a problem with it if someone started OWAP and airline HR departments gave special treatment to OWAP members as they currently do to OBAP members?

 

[pdub20s]

Yeah, real funny.



What does that have to do with anything? You think you get special rights simply because you belong to a minority group? Women aren't even in the minority, but they have WIA.

The question stands: would you have a problem with it if someone started OWAP and airline HR departments gave special treatment to OWAP members as they currently do to OBAP members?

Dude you cant compare the two. These groups are not formed to get special rights for its members. They are aimed at networking and the betterment of the organizations members and which the community it serves. Example, OBAP is not 100% black, its for people who support the views of the organization. Look at their website and read their mission statement. No where does it say "....So we can get special treatment"

 

[atlcrjdriver]

The question stands: would you have a problem with it if someone started OWAP and airline HR departments gave special treatment to OWAP members as they currently do to OBAP members?

You already have one but I don't believe you or I could afford to join - it's called the trust fund kids.

 

[FFFO]

keep this up! this is great! all you guys pissing and moaning about special treatment are just outing yourselves and proving A-GAIN why groups form to help one another in getting a job in this latently racist, misogynistic career field... flame on boys!

 

[FishandFly]

keep this up! this is great! all you guys pissing and moaning about special treatment are just outing yourselves and proving A-GAIN why groups form to help one another in getting a job in this latently racist, misogynistic career field... flame on boys!

frankly I don't care about your race or your gynis. I just side with the supreme court in thinking that equality shall determine the success of a candidate, not the other factors previously mentioned.

PDUB 20, what percentage of OBP is black?

 

[FishandFly]

You already have one but I don't believe you or I could afford to join - it's called the trust fund kids.

trust funds don't have anything to do with a argument regarding a race based organization question.

 

[stage]

Does anybody know the actual numbers/percentages of who has been interviewed or hired at Delta so far? Or are we just ASSuming that a disproportionate amount of minorities are being hired?

I would love to hear from someone that is in a newhire class right now...

 

[~~~^~~~]

White guys (including me) might as well face the truth. Minorities and women and more marketable. If CO, does not hire them, FedEx will, or DAL. There is acutally a sort of competition for these candidates. Human resource departments make these standards and probably enjoy getting out of their cubicles to attend conventions and events on Company expense accounts.

At least at Delta they have to go through the same objective tests and succeed, just like any other applicant. The computer does not know who is at the keyboard.

Being a minority is probably equal to being the next door neighbor of a well liked Delta Captain. It helps you get your stuff looked at. It is not a system that rewards incompetents with seniority numbers.

 

[StrykerFL]

Minorities were not always given preferential treatment; well at least according to this anyways.

http://www.negrospaceprogram.com/

:laugh: :laugh:

 

[Tarzan]

Dude you cant compare the two. These groups are not formed to get special rights for its members. They are aimed at networking and the betterment of the organizations members and which the community it serves. Example, OBAP is not 100% black, its for people who support the views of the organization. Look at their website and read their mission statement. No where does it say "....So we can get special treatment"

Not getting special rights? How is that a well qualified white male can overlooked for a less qualified woman or other "minority"?

If anything, this affirmative action has lead to the stereotypes you see today. Fifty years ago, these were needed programs. However, most people I deal with today could really care less about what skin color you have or your sex when comes to how well you do your job. The back side to it, is that white males are scared to death to point out a deficiency in a "protected" group because all they need to do is scream racist or sexual harassment and you are judged guilty. Why? All in the cause of being inclusive.

This sort of garbage needs to end. If you want the job, work hard and apply yourself and take the corrective suggestions as just that. End affirmative action and bigotry of low expectations.

 

[Paris]

However, most people I deal with today could really care less about what skin color you have or your sex when comes to how well you do your job.

I wonder who you deal with then. I can't count the number of times I've heard Captains make disparaging remarks about females. I'm not talking about kitchen jokes either. I think its safe to say if you are a female pilot on the radio, just assume that as soon as your transmission is complete, there will be cockpit jokes in other aircraft soon to follow. You could be a check airman with superb skills, but it won't matter. Its sad really, considering these guys often have daughters and sisters.

 

[Tarzan]

I wonder who you deal with then. I can't count the number of times I've heard Captains make disparaging remarks about females. I'm not talking about kitchen jokes either. I think its safe to say if you are a female pilot on the radio, just assume that as soon as your transmission is complete, there will be cockpit jokes in other aircraft soon to follow. You could be a check airman with superb skills, but it won't matter. Its sad really, considering these guys often have daughters and sisters.

Heck, that is about as bad as it gets with the kitchen jokes. Some are good pilots but there are too many that get by in the business because they are female. How many male pilots get away with the crap females do? You want to see that sort of stuff end? Sh1tcan the ones that give the rest a bad name. Don't play that politically correctness card.

 

[bailout]

empty kitchen jokes???

nah, more like empty dance poles.....

 

[Plainsman]

Along the lines of minorities, my captain said the city was painting the wall around taxiway victor to turn into a mural with the likes of MLK, Rosa Parks and other notable NAACP leaders. Anyone heard that one?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Every day is an opening day

 

[pdub20s]

frankly I don't care about your race or your gynis. I just side with the supreme court in thinking that equality shall determine the success of a candidate, not the other factors previously mentioned.

PDUB 20, what percentage of OBP is black?

Im not sure of the percentage. but in regards to a previous post about quotas... Quotas are illegal per Supreme Court. And I believe that the playing field should be level for everyone in this industry when it comes to applying for jobs. No man or woman should get the job over another because he or she is a minority or a female.