ASA Sessions Brief 06/29/07

[FL990]

It was just posted at 0030 on the 30th. Same as last nights...they are still negotiating and expect to do so through the night...and just as last night, they cannot divulge info to us.

This could be a good sign?!?

We shall see

 

[JoeMerchant]

It was just posted at 0030 on the 30th. Same as last nights...they are still negotiating and expect to do so through the night...and just as last night, they cannot divulge info to us.

This could be a good sign?!?

We shall see

This is a good sign. We are finally in the end game if they are going to negotiate thru the night AND the NMB has a gag rule on the information. Real negotiating is coming from BOTH sides now....

Expect to see COLA, little change in 700 pay, no full retro, and mediocre scope with a possible PBS side letter...

 

[FL990]

The "super late night" update was as follows:

ASA Master Executive Council ​

[FONT=Arial,Arial]June 29, 2007 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial]NEGOTIATIONS UPDATE [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial,Arial]Mediated negotiations resumed Friday in Atlanta. Discussions began in the morning and continued through until 1:30 A.M. Saturday. Once again we are very disappointed in the outcome of the negotiations. After a very long session the parties came closer on the issues conceptually but no agreement was reached. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial,Arial]Unfortunately, at the direction of the mediator we are not at liberty to discuss the specifics of the proposals that were made. The Association firmly believes that we have made every effort to reach an agreement. We showed considerable flexibility in our issues and reduced the gap in our proposals but in the end management did not meet expectations.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Arial]WHAT A JOKE!!![/FONT]

 

[Tomct]

SHUT ER DOWN! GIVE US THE RELEASE!:angryfire

 

[73belair]

The "super late night" update was as follows:

ASA Master Executive Council ​

[FONT=Arial,Arial]June 29, 2007 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial]NEGOTIATIONS UPDATE [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial,Arial]Mediated negotiations resumed Friday in Atlanta. Discussions began in the morning and continued through until 1:30 A.M. Saturday. Once again we are very disappointed in the outcome of the negotiations. After a very long session the parties came closer on the issues conceptually but no agreement was reached. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial,Arial]Unfortunately, at the direction of the mediator we are not at liberty to discuss the specifics of the proposals that were made. The Association firmly believes that we have made every effort to reach an agreement. We showed considerable flexibility in our issues and reduced the gap in our proposals but in the end management did not meet expectations.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Arial]WHAT A JOKE!!![/FONT]

Where is this info posted?

 

[HarryParatestes]

[FONT=Arial,Arial]June 29, 2007 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Arial]NEGOTIATIONS UPDATE [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial,Arial]Mediated negotiations resumed Friday in Atlanta. Discussions began in the morning and continued through until 1:30 A.M. Saturday. Once again we are very disappointed in the outcome of the negotiations. After a very long session the parties came closer on the issues conceptually but no agreement was reached. The NMB flunky ordered us to continue negotiations.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial,Arial]Unfortunately, at the direction of the mediator we are not at liberty to discuss the specifics of the proposals, cause they suck really bad. The Association sort of believes that we have made kind of an effort to reach an agreement. We showed a little bit of flexibility in our issues and reduced the gap in our proposals but in the end management did not meet expectations. So we kicked Bryan LeBrecque in the nuts, called him a fag and walked out.[/FONT]

 

[Airline RC]

It was just posted at 0030 on the 30th. Same as last nights...they are still negotiating and expect to do so through the night...and just as last night, they cannot divulge info to us.

This could be a good sign?!?

Good.....break all the phones, laptops and furniture....the lights....chairs....PUT DEFERRED stickers on everything including the bathrooms. No cell phones and Turn the AC off and make them switch rooms every 2 hours.....write em up when they even mention getting something to EAT. Call em every 3 hours and ask em "where are you?" Have some fool run into the room every 5 minutes to ask em.."Are you ready to board?" At the end of a 16 hour day......give em 9 hours reduced domicile rest after a 45 minute wait for tha van and then lock them back in another room for another 14 hours....stretchable to 16. Oh...one more thing....Lose their overnight bag. That'd get it DONE!

 

[Medeco]

Not saying its not true, but I have not recieved any email update as of 7am.

Can anyone confirm BOTH of these updates? Also nothing updated on the ASA ALPA website.

Medeco

 

[geardown]

It is on the ASA ALPA sight under Committees, Negotiation, Session Briefings

 

[ASAFLY2]

Not saying its not true, but I have not recieved any email update as of 7am.

Can anyone confirm BOTH of these updates? Also nothing updated on the ASA ALPA website.

Medeco

Unfortunately it is true. I just saw it under the Session Briefings page on ALPA.org/asa.
Look under committees/negotiations/session briefings
VERY DISSAPOINTING!

 

[crjskipper]

tomct - can you try to take less pleasure in the potential for us to be out of a job. attempt to a) not call someone a name for having a less than hatred for asa b) leave burn it down out of every reply c) keep it above the waist and informed

im very disapointed also - but dont understand why the nmb would ask for no details to be leaked when the sessions are over?

 

[VeeOne]

Is anyone TRULY suprised we didn't get a T/A out of this? We all knew it wouldn't happen because we havn't gotten the release to do it. If the NMB was really serious about this mess, they would have chained JA to the walls of the negotiating session.

Now the NMB mediator will pack his stuff and proceed to go on vacation for another month, allowing this to drag out just a while longer, enough to get through a busy travel season that no strike will be allowed to mess up. Depending on the loads and when they start to drop off, might indicate when we are allowed to strike- but only when there will be little impact on the transportation system- or when we are under a different political regime. Any guesses when this will be????

 

[ASADriver]

What a joke.

 

[gator_hater]

Good.....break all the phones, laptops and furniture....the lights....chairs....PUT DEFERRED stickers on everything including the bathrooms. No cell phones and Turn the AC off and make them switch rooms every 2 hours.....write em up when they even mention getting something to EAT. Call em every 3 hours and ask em "where are you?" Have some fool run into the room every 5 minutes to ask em.."Are you ready to board?" At the end of a 16 hour day......give em 9 hours reduced domicile rest after a 45 minute wait for tha van and then lock them back in another room for another 14 hours....stretchable to 16. Oh...one more thing....Lose their overnight bag. That'd get it DONE!

That is a great solution, might actually work. Now theyjust have to do it for four days.

 

[ASARJMan]

Oh well, back to the drawing board. It's up to you line pilots now. Do your job, and no more!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Oh well, back to the drawing board. It's up to you line pilots now. Do your job, and no more!

Yeah, because that's worked out so well thus far...!

 

[frapper]

What do you mean "so far?" We haven't done anything as a group yet! There are just the few of us that have been doing it all along!

 

[John Pennekamp]

What do you mean "so far?" We haven't done anything as a group yet! There are just the few of us that have been doing it all along!

Exactly! But this has been the main game plan for about 4 years now! Aint working!

 

[boknowsASA]

What do you mean "so far?" We haven't done anything as a group yet! There are just the few of us that have been doing it all along!

We can do something during INT if you know what im talking about. We stand together now!!!:angryfire

 

[GeekMaster]

frapper, asarjman and all,

I think I've covered in very great depth why "line actions" won't work in a previous thread. Even www. himself acknowledge that the pilots can't cause a meltdown. He never answered back in regards to picking up open time at premium pay though.

Go back and read it. Logic is very definitive on why it either won't work or it's illegal. (court action against ALPA and the pilot group...not to mention firings where ALPA CAN'T get your job back).

 

[av8er2]

Many are doing their part and leaving this place. I think replacing pilots in the future will only get harder. But then again I think this is what ASA wants so they can execute a bigger plan later.

 

[Tomct]

tomct - can you try to take less pleasure in the potential for us to be out of a job. attempt to a) not call someone a name for having a less than hatred for asa b) leave burn it down out of every reply c) keep it above the waist and informed

im very disapointed also - but dont understand why the nmb would ask for no details to be leaked when the sessions are over?

Hey, we have all been doing OUR JOBS except for the company. They continue to stretch this out and treat us like crap....time to return the favor. News flash for you...we will NOT be out of a job. Nobody can staff their own airlines, let alone take over ours. We still have a leg to stand on...GIVE US THE RELEASE!! The contract will be "miraculously" signed in the 11th hr and things will continue on as usual. No flying will be transfered and growth will continue so that you can STAY here for your retirement!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Hey, we have all been doing OUR JOBS except for the company. They continue to stretch this out and treat us like crap....time to return the favor. News flash for you...we will NOT be out of a job. Nobody can staff their own airlines, let alone take over ours. We still have a leg to stand on...GIVE US THE RELEASE!! The contract will be "miraculously" signed in the 11th hr and things will continue on as usual. No flying will be transfered and growth will continue so that you can STAY here for your retirement!

You're 100% correct. If we get a release, Jerry will give us everything we're asking for.

Then when the reward and retire game heats up, we'll see ASA shrink into non-existence while our 50s are retired and 70/90s come on line at Skywest.

But burn it down! 100% retro! Yeah!

 

[ASAFLY2]

You're 100% correct. If we get a release, Jerry will give us everything we're asking for.

Then when the reward and retire game heats up, we'll see ASA shrink into non-existence while our 50s are retired and 70/90s come on line at Skywest.

But burn it down! 100% retro! Yeah!

Let's not forget that despite what MGMT tells us, our pilot cost are only one part of the equation. I really doubt that they would shut us down solely based on our contract. It wouldn't be smart to destroy such a profitable airline.

 

[kikejavy]

Does anyone know exactly what progress was made?

 

[waterskier]

So why can't they give details on the secessions... have they done this in the past? What can we read into this... good or bad?

How did we get such good partisipation on the last contract's 100% MTC safety program? Guess we r just a different group of pilots these days... too many new guys...

 

[VeeOne]

Let's not forget that despite what MGMT tells us, our pilot cost are only one part of the equation. I really doubt that they would shut us down solely based on our contract. It wouldn't be smart to destroy such a profitable airline.

ASAFLY2- you are absolutely correct. Our pilot costs are only one part of the equation, but when every thing else regarding ASA is in line with SkyWest Airlines, our pilot contract becomes the decisive factor. Our airplanes aren't magical- they produce the profit margin they do because of the contract we have with Delta- SkyWest Airlines would produce the same profit margin with different aircraft. I'd have to argue that the pilot contract, albeit a small factor, would have an impact on who flies for Delta out of Atlanta. Right now, SkyWest is getting the biggest bang for the buck with SkyWest flying 900's out of Atlanta for their given pay scales. In synopsis, the profit is in the contract with Delta, and not with who flies the routes.

 

[601Pilot]

frapper, asarjman and all,

I think I've covered in very great depth why "line actions" won't work in a previous thread. Even www. himself acknowledge that the pilots can't cause a meltdown. He never answered back in regards to picking up open time at premium pay though.

Go back and read it. Logic is very definitive on why it either won't work or it's illegal. (court action against ALPA and the pilot group...not to mention firings where ALPA CAN'T get your job back).

Are you still spewing this crap? We all know you won't do anything to rock the boat, but the rest of us can. Let the fun begin!

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Does anyone know exactly what progress was made?

This is the question of the week. Why is it the mediator wants to keep the details of the last two days confidential. A union rep was is the CPO this afternoon and could only say that movement was made and to keep patient. I can only hope that a proffer is on the way. W/o that I don't see a deal any time soon.

 

[PCL_128]

An "information blackout" is typical of end-game talks in Section 6 negotiations. Take a look back at some of the newsletters your SPC sent out over the past couple of years. I believe they included a discussion of that possibility in one of the articles. Can't know for sure, but I suspect you will either have a TA or a release within the next few months.