ASA Sessions Brief 06/29/07

[av8er2]

Many are doing their part and leaving this place. I think replacing pilots in the future will only get harder. But then again I think this is what ASA wants so they can execute a bigger plan later.

 

[Tomct]

tomct - can you try to take less pleasure in the potential for us to be out of a job. attempt to a) not call someone a name for having a less than hatred for asa b) leave burn it down out of every reply c) keep it above the waist and informed

im very disapointed also - but dont understand why the nmb would ask for no details to be leaked when the sessions are over?

Hey, we have all been doing OUR JOBS except for the company. They continue to stretch this out and treat us like crap....time to return the favor. News flash for you...we will NOT be out of a job. Nobody can staff their own airlines, let alone take over ours. We still have a leg to stand on...GIVE US THE RELEASE!! The contract will be "miraculously" signed in the 11th hr and things will continue on as usual. No flying will be transfered and growth will continue so that you can STAY here for your retirement!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Hey, we have all been doing OUR JOBS except for the company. They continue to stretch this out and treat us like crap....time to return the favor. News flash for you...we will NOT be out of a job. Nobody can staff their own airlines, let alone take over ours. We still have a leg to stand on...GIVE US THE RELEASE!! The contract will be "miraculously" signed in the 11th hr and things will continue on as usual. No flying will be transfered and growth will continue so that you can STAY here for your retirement!

You're 100% correct. If we get a release, Jerry will give us everything we're asking for.

Then when the reward and retire game heats up, we'll see ASA shrink into non-existence while our 50s are retired and 70/90s come on line at Skywest.

But burn it down! 100% retro! Yeah!

 

[ASAFLY2]

You're 100% correct. If we get a release, Jerry will give us everything we're asking for.

Then when the reward and retire game heats up, we'll see ASA shrink into non-existence while our 50s are retired and 70/90s come on line at Skywest.

But burn it down! 100% retro! Yeah!

Let's not forget that despite what MGMT tells us, our pilot cost are only one part of the equation. I really doubt that they would shut us down solely based on our contract. It wouldn't be smart to destroy such a profitable airline.

 

[kikejavy]

Does anyone know exactly what progress was made?

 

[waterskier]

So why can't they give details on the secessions... have they done this in the past? What can we read into this... good or bad?

How did we get such good partisipation on the last contract's 100% MTC safety program? Guess we r just a different group of pilots these days... too many new guys...

 

[VeeOne]

Let's not forget that despite what MGMT tells us, our pilot cost are only one part of the equation. I really doubt that they would shut us down solely based on our contract. It wouldn't be smart to destroy such a profitable airline.

ASAFLY2- you are absolutely correct. Our pilot costs are only one part of the equation, but when every thing else regarding ASA is in line with SkyWest Airlines, our pilot contract becomes the decisive factor. Our airplanes aren't magical- they produce the profit margin they do because of the contract we have with Delta- SkyWest Airlines would produce the same profit margin with different aircraft. I'd have to argue that the pilot contract, albeit a small factor, would have an impact on who flies for Delta out of Atlanta. Right now, SkyWest is getting the biggest bang for the buck with SkyWest flying 900's out of Atlanta for their given pay scales. In synopsis, the profit is in the contract with Delta, and not with who flies the routes.

 

[601Pilot]

frapper, asarjman and all,

I think I've covered in very great depth why "line actions" won't work in a previous thread. Even www. himself acknowledge that the pilots can't cause a meltdown. He never answered back in regards to picking up open time at premium pay though.

Go back and read it. Logic is very definitive on why it either won't work or it's illegal. (court action against ALPA and the pilot group...not to mention firings where ALPA CAN'T get your job back).

Are you still spewing this crap? We all know you won't do anything to rock the boat, but the rest of us can. Let the fun begin!

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Does anyone know exactly what progress was made?

This is the question of the week. Why is it the mediator wants to keep the details of the last two days confidential. A union rep was is the CPO this afternoon and could only say that movement was made and to keep patient. I can only hope that a proffer is on the way. W/o that I don't see a deal any time soon.

 

[PCL_128]

An "information blackout" is typical of end-game talks in Section 6 negotiations. Take a look back at some of the newsletters your SPC sent out over the past couple of years. I believe they included a discussion of that possibility in one of the articles. Can't know for sure, but I suspect you will either have a TA or a release within the next few months.

 

[Medeco]

I think the mediator has asked each side to stay quiet becuase they may have intentions of getting back together very soon.

Obviously the gap has closed but the union could not agree to the companies BS.


JP,

You paint a grim picture, but if we get a release, do you think the CNC will agree to a contract that does not hold SKYWEST INC. to real scope?

No, we heard in the LEC meeting, that we will not have a TA'd contract without scope. In other words without section 1 the whole thing is worthless.

JP, What is your solution? Instead of telling us the last four years has been fruitless, why dont you and JB spell out the exact solution to our 4.5yr problem?


The MEC and CNC, said that plan B is in the works and a real possibility if things do not come to a head real soon. Plan B, was very vauge but it was said it would be untested waters.

This CNC/MEC is just as frustrated as the next person and they voiced this at the meeting. Bottom line, is we are stuck in the RLA/NMB game and they must show a willingness to play, and they assured us they were.

They are also obligated to carry out the wishes of this pilot group, and contrary to two or three or ten of the same nay sayers beating a dead horse of the "silent majority", the pilot group wants this done, and they want a fair contract that Skywest Inc can certainly afford and still compete.

Stop blaming the people working for your benefit, and start being a part of the solution.


As said on another thread, IT is time for ALL ASA PILOTS to UNITE and come together as a collective voice.


Medeco

 

[IFLYASA]

If nothing comes out of this, I will fly "extremely" by the book until I leave this place. I'm never using my cell phone for anything. That should delay maintenance issues by 20 minutes..No more calling for the fuel trucks, calling for the release. Oh this is going to be fun.. Who's with me?

If every Captain did this, there will be memo galore from SH and CT. I'd be first in line to say, "I"m following company procedures, why do you ask??"

 

[Tomct]

If nothing comes out of this, I will fly "extremely" by the book until I leave this place. I'm never using my cell phone for anything. That should delay maintenance issues by 20 minutes..No more calling for the fuel trucks, calling for the release. Oh this is going to be fun.. Who's with me?

If every Captain did this, there will be memo galore from SH and CT. I'd be first in line to say, "I"m following company procedures, why do you ask??"

I will keep doing this. I'm with you....c'mon guys/gals, UNITED WE STAND!!!

 

[Tomct]

If we get a release, Jerry will give us everything we're asking for.

Then when the reward and retire game heats up, we'll see ASA shrink into non-existence while our 50s are retired and 70/90s come on line at Skywest.

But burn it down! 100% retro! Yeah!

Yeah right! Skywst can barely staff their own airline...let alone our 160 plus airplanes! Stop the "...SKY IS FALLING CRAP...." it is getting old!

 

[John Pennekamp]

but I suspect you will either have a TA or a release within the next few months.

Months? WTFO?!!!! Sure doesn't sound like an "endgame" to me.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I think the mediator has asked each side to stay quiet becuase they may have intentions of getting back together very soon.

Obviously the gap has closed but the union could not agree to the companies BS.


JP,

You paint a grim picture, but if we get a release, do you think the CNC will agree to a contract that does not hold SKYWEST INC. to real scope?

No, we heard in the LEC meeting, that we will not have a TA'd contract without scope. In other words without section 1 the whole thing is worthless.

JP, What is your solution? Instead of telling us the last four years has been fruitless, why dont you and JB spell out the exact solution to our 4.5yr problem?


The MEC and CNC, said that plan B is in the works and a real possibility if things do not come to a head real soon. Plan B, was very vauge but it was said it would be untested waters.

This CNC/MEC is just as frustrated as the next person and they voiced this at the meeting. Bottom line, is we are stuck in the RLA/NMB game and they must show a willingness to play, and they assured us they were.

They are also obligated to carry out the wishes of this pilot group, and contrary to two or three or ten of the same nay sayers beating a dead horse of the "silent majority", the pilot group wants this done, and they want a fair contract that Skywest Inc can certainly afford and still compete.

Stop blaming the people working for your benefit, and start being a part of the solution.


As said on another thread, IT is time for ALL ASA PILOTS to UNITE and come together as a collective voice.


Medeco

I've said my vision many times. Search around and you'll find it. I'm not advocating caving, just getting real with our demands and not driving a strike out of spite or punishment.

 

[ASADriver]

So are they still meeting or did they all go home? Why NO info? They havent even said what happens next or if they are still meeting. Anyone talk to any union types lately?

 

[Medeco]

So are they still meeting or did they all go home? Why NO info? They havent even said what happens next or if they are still meeting. Anyone talk to any union types lately?

Why not call Newi and ask?

Better yet, call the mediator and let us know what he says.

Medeco

 

[ASAFLY2]

I think the mediator has asked each side to stay quiet becuase they may have intentions of getting back together very soon.

Obviously the gap has closed but the union could not agree to the companies BS.


JP,

You paint a grim picture, but if we get a release, do you think the CNC will agree to a contract that does not hold SKYWEST INC. to real scope?

No, we heard in the LEC meeting, that we will not have a TA'd contract without scope. In other words without section 1 the whole thing is worthless.

JP, What is your solution? Instead of telling us the last four years has been fruitless, why dont you and JB spell out the exact solution to our 4.5yr problem?


The MEC and CNC, said that plan B is in the works and a real possibility if things do not come to a head real soon. Plan B, was very vauge but it was said it would be untested waters.

This CNC/MEC is just as frustrated as the next person and they voiced this at the meeting. Bottom line, is we are stuck in the RLA/NMB game and they must show a willingness to play, and they assured us they were.

They are also obligated to carry out the wishes of this pilot group, and contrary to two or three or ten of the same nay sayers beating a dead horse of the "silent majority", the pilot group wants this done, and they want a fair contract that Skywest Inc can certainly afford and still compete.

Stop blaming the people working for your benefit, and start being a part of the solution.


As said on another thread, IT is time for ALL ASA PILOTS to UNITE and come together as a collective voice.


Medeco

I agree totally Medeco. I respect the opinions of those who want to settle at all cost, but we can't forget that the next contract we sign will probably not be until at least 2015. We need to make sure that we have some pay rate increases locked in for the next 8 + years we will have this contract. I am sure the leap frog game will begin as soon as we sign.
I also don't have a problem with some of our pay being contingent on Skywest INC. profit(not ASA).
This Performance Plus crap is not worth the delay code it is written on.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I agree totally Medeco. I respect the opinions of those who want to settle at all cost, but we can't forget that the next contract we sign will probably not be until at least 2015. We need to make sure that we have some pay rate increases locked in for the next 8 + years we will have this contract. I am sure the leap frog game will begin as soon as we sign.
I also don't have a problem with some of our pay being contingent on Skywest INC. profit(not ASA).
This Performance Plus crap is not worth the delay code it is written on.

According to the CNC Chairman, any pay increases will only be locked in for the duration of the contract (3 years). To lock in raises until the next contract is signed (like Mesaba achieved) was never on the table. You'll have to ask them why.