ASA scheduling cost savings

[COOPERVANE]

It is past time to sharpen the pitchforks. I'm at 101 hours on reserve.

 

[crj567]

No, it is not nice to work the same number of days and earn 20 hours less pay.

Yep-

And PBS was "just a different way of bidding." Vast QOL improvements abound!


-Remember that load?

(Of course, once block hours go up in the summer, we will get to explore the other end of this "just another way of bidding" spectrum.) Sometimes folks just have to let a snake bite them in the ass before they really understand how it could turn out badly.

 

[johnpeace]

So...if you only have a 67 hr line...why would you ever accept/tolerate being extended? The first 8 hrs of extensions will be for free.

Who would do that?

 

[crj567]

So...if you only have a 67 hr line...why would you ever accept/tolerate being extended? The first 8 hrs of extensions will be for free.

Who would do that?

Get ready to be "enhanced!"

 

[twott driver]

The only way to not tolerate being extended is fatigue or sickness. Jnr manning, just don't answer your phone.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Are those unproductive pairings as a result of PBS? or were they always like that?

I'm not with ASA, but for perspective, PBS does not generate pairings. PBS is simply a tool to award pre-built pairings to pilots.

If you have crappy pairings, it's because your pairing generation process sucks, not because you have Hardline bidding or PBS.

 

[johnpeace]

The only way to not tolerate being extended is fatigue or sickness. Jnr manning, just don't answer your phone.

I don't know that I agree with that. If, as a result of your crap schedule, you're below guarantee and won't get the premium pay for the extension...then the extension is illegal and not contractual.

I know without perfect clarity and the assurance that I AM going to credit 150% for the extension, I wouldn't accept it.

To do so would be insane.

At that point, we'd be working 4 5-day trips a month for MMG. There's no way I'm doing that!

 

[79%N1]

I don't know that I agree with that. If, as a result of your crap schedule, you're below guarantee and won't get the premium pay for the extension...then the extension is illegal and not contractual.

I know without perfect clarity and the assurance that I AM going to credit 150% for the extension, I wouldn't accept it.

To do so would be insane.

At that point, we'd be working 4 5-day trips a month for MMG. There's no way I'm doing that!

And how would you explain it to the chief pilot to get out of flying the extension?

 

[johnpeace]

And how would you explain it to the chief pilot to get out of flying the extension?

The contract says if I do this, I get 150% pay...but they aren't paying me 150%...so I'm not doing it.

That's how.

You want me to accept assignments? Great, make the assignments within the bounds of the contract.

 

[Max Q]

Especially after 3 legs and 18 hours of rest.

 

[JoeMerchant]

The contract says if I do this, I get 150% pay...but they aren't paying me 150%...so I'm not doing it.
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That's not what the contract says in this situation. Have you read it?

 

[johnpeace]

That's not what the contract says in this situation. Have you read it?

Yeah.

It says that a pilot who is extended will be paid 150% premium pay for the extension.

I got a email back from our FO rep:

No. You get the 50% premium on top of MMG. So if you were at 67 hours and you got extended for a 3 hour round trip you would be paid 76.5 hrs.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yeah.

It says that a pilot who is extended will be paid 150% premium pay for the extension.

I got a email back from our FO rep:

The FO rep can read better than you can...Go back and read it again if you ever even read it at all...

 

[Nevets]

And how would you explain it to the chief pilot to get out of flying the extension?

I just tell them I have more important family commitments.

 

[Flybywire44]

I offered to trade scheduling three deadhead reservations on Delta (valued at $150 each) for one DCA overnight hotel. Scheduling said "no." At this moment (Ty Gogo internet) I'm dead heading from DCA to ATL, then deadheading back to DCA tomorrow and then deadheading back to Atlanta when I'm done.

I offered them $450 for a $100 hotel room. Their response was that there is no contract provision for this… What happened to common sense!? Hello?

By the time we land it will be a 15+ hour duty day. Instead I could be relaxing in a Doubletree, watching HBO, and saving ASA $350. uke:

 

[looking_down]

It is past time to sharpen the pitchforks. I'm at 101 hours on reserve.

Lots of sword rattling going on right now on the forums, but no action on the line...business as usual. Very typical. Too bad.....

 

[Redan]

Lots of sword rattling going on right now on the forums, but no action on the line...business as usual. Very typical. Too bad.....

Not entirely true...

 

[OCP]

Yeah.

It says that a pilot who is extended will be paid 150% premium pay for the extension.

I got a email back from our FO rep:

You have not read it huh? Below 75 you get 50% on top of your 75.

 

[johnpeace]

You have not read it huh? Below 75 you get 50% on top of your 75.

Yeah, I just looked it up again and found that...didn't read far enough to see it the first time and didn't have access to it while I was wondering what would happen and speculating about that situation now.

I get it now.

Thanks.

 

[79%N1]

Man! Gas is really expensive now! I hope nobody forgets to shut down the APU or to shut an engine down on a long taxi or ground hold. Then again, it's hard to remember stuff when you slept 5 hours on a RR overnight in the midst of a 5 leg day!

Try to stay focused!