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crjskipper said:
funny this thread started with asapilot claiming 2 rampers were dead and it was a company cover-up.

asa management gets blamed for something that never happened. i dont get it. why wouldnt the pilots be told of this!?! a bulletin published? i deserve to know?

accidents happen on the ramp every day - tugs crash, cars hit other cars. it doesnt make the news cause it's not news - wish this would be a lesson to some - i find it hysterical that this thread was started at all.
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Maybe you should get your facts straight. I didn't "claim" 2 rampers were dead and I never said a word about a "company cover-up". Perhaps you should re-read the thread. I stated that I had heard this from a fellow pilot and subsequently found evidence of it on the FAA website. I was inquiring as to whether anyone else had any more information.

Whether it's true or not remains to be verified. OhPlease! seems to think s/he has the facts, but I've yet to see anything either way.

I don't claim it's a cover-up or any other management issue. I simply questioned why, if it were true, no one knew about it. crjskipper, we all have a right to know about safety incidents that occur in our area of operation, whether it be rampers or other flight crew. If it was a pilot that got hit by a tug, I'm sure you'd want to hear about it.

A shame you find ramp safety so "hysterical"...
 
Likewise, I never claimed a coverup. I merely stated that it did not surprise me that ASA management was not quick to publicize an incident that brings to light the many many safety problems that exist on our ramps. I also heard there were two fatalities from another pilot, and the FAA report dated 5/21/07 clearly states there were two fatalities on the ramp on 5/19/07.
 
ohplease! said:
did it make the news? on ANY channel???? thats what I thought.....a non-news event.
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You know, there's a lot of things that should make the news every day that don't. Personally I think that a tug hitting a transport catagory aircraft full of people is one of the things that should make the news. I guess you should be working for CNN, since you seem to know everything about what should and should not make the news.
 
ohplease! said:
did it make the news? on ANY channel???? thats what I thought.....a non-news event.
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Oh, and BTW genius, how do YOU explain the FAA report that stated there were 2 fatal injuries involved in this event? Do you really think that 2 rampers killed is not news worthy, or important enough for the company to report to its employees? Do you REALLY think that?
 
atrdriver said:
Oh, and BTW genius, how do YOU explain the FAA report that stated there were 2 fatal injuries involved in this event? Do you really think that 2 rampers killed is not news worthy, or important enough for the company to report to its employees? Do you REALLY think that?
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No one was killed. The injuries were pretty much as Oh Please has said. They hit behind the aircraft and the Delta tug took a 90 degree turn and went under the left wing of 753. Agent was still at the aircraft , the pax were deplaned and the ac shutdown. I thought the company did a good job. The people that needed to be there were there and the passengers were moved to another aircraft.
 
atrdriver said:
Oh, and BTW genius, how do YOU explain the FAA report that stated there were 2 fatal injuries involved in this event? Do you really think that 2 rampers killed is not news worthy, or important enough for the company to report to its employees? Do you REALLY think that?
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Since you say I'm the genius, I guess that makes you the moron....imagine that.....the FAA report posted was from 2001 and was of an ACTUAL event that involved a fuel truck, not a tug. BTW moron, the company did report that fact to us, the employees, very shortly after it happened IN 2001. idiot. Oh yeah BTWx2...it made the news....every channel....go back to sleep.
 
atrdriver said:
You know, there's a lot of things that should make the news every day that don't. Personally I think that a tug hitting a transport catagory aircraft full of people is one of the things that should make the news. I guess you should be working for CNN, since you seem to know everything about what should and should not make the news.
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If you are aware of sooo many news worthy items that happen every day that don't get reported on the news, perhaps it is you that should be working for CNN....oops! sorry, that takes brains, talent, common sense, blah, blah, blah....none of which I possess. Thats why I fly planes.;)
 
ohplease! said:
Since you say I'm the genius, I guess that makes you the moron....imagine that.....the FAA report posted was from 2001 and was of an ACTUAL event that involved a fuel truck, not a tug. BTW moron, the company did report that fact to us, the employees, very shortly after it happened IN 2001. idiot. Oh yeah BTWx2...it made the news....every channel....go back to sleep.
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Maybe you are correct, and no one was killed. But you still have not answered how an FAA report, that you claim is from 2001, involved an aircraft that was not built until 2004. You can look that up if you want, 753EV was manufactured in 2004, and was registered to ASA on 10/1/2004. So how exactly was it involved in an incident is 2001?
 
ohplease! said:
Since you say I'm the genius, I guess that makes you the moron....imagine that.....the FAA report posted was from 2001 and was of an ACTUAL event that involved a fuel truck, not a tug. BTW moron, the company did report that fact to us, the employees, very shortly after it happened IN 2001. idiot. Oh yeah BTWx2...it made the news....every channel....go back to sleep.
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I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand. The FAA report posted was NOT from 2001. It involved ship 753EV. Was 753EV at ASA or even in existence in 2001? No, it was registered 2004. I guess you were right about the brains part...

I'm not saying the FAA doesn't make mistakes. I'm simply saying that people seem to be talking about two different incidents. Nothing here has explained why this report is on the FAA database as it is.
 
atrdriver said:
Oh, and BTW genius, how do YOU explain the FAA report that stated there were 2 fatal injuries involved in this event? Do you really think that 2 rampers killed is not news worthy, or important enough for the company to report to its employees? Do you REALLY think that?
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ATR,
There weren't 2 fatalities.... I suspect some people are just trying to make the company look bad anyway they can... fabricating fatal injuries really crosses the line...
 
JoeMerchant said:
ATR,
There weren't 2 fatalities.... I suspect some people are just trying to make the company look bad anyway they can... fabricating fatal injuries really crosses the line...
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Joe, maybe you're right and I certainly hope so, but the report was on the FAA database, and it showed 2 fatal injuries, with AC 753EV listed as the AC involved. The report can't have been from 2001, as 753 was not built until 2004. If the FAA made a mistake, and I hope they did, then that's that. But it is listed that way. If there is any fabrication here, it's from the FEDs, not me.
 
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asapilot said:
I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand. The FAA report posted was NOT from 2001. It involved ship 753EV. Was 753EV at ASA or even in existence in 2001? No, it was registered 2004. I guess you were right about the brains part...

I'm not saying the FAA doesn't make mistakes. I'm simply saying that people seem to be talking about two different incidents. Nothing here has explained why this report is on the FAA database as it is.
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paste the report you're talking about.
 
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JoeMerchant said:
ATR,
There weren't 2 fatalities.... I suspect some people are just trying to make the company look bad anyway they can... fabricating fatal injuries really crosses the line...
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Fabricate what ?????

Check the FAA website yourself. Check all incidents/accidents for 5-21-07.

If the Feds made a mistake fine but for you to claim that somebody is fabricating this makes you a complete idiot.
 
rjcap said:
Fabricate what ?????

Check the FAA website yourself. Check all incidents/accidents for 5-21-07.

If the Feds made a mistake fine but for you to claim that somebody is fabricating this makes you a complete idiot.
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O.K. I've seen it on the FAA site. I am telling you that there were NO fatal injuries in that incident. The FAA has made a mistake. Imagine that. Just remember: they're here to help.
 
ohplease! said:
O.K. I've seen it on the FAA site. I am telling you that there were NO fatal injuries in that incident. The FAA has made a mistake. Imagine that. Just remember: they're here to help.
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Care to retract what you said to us about making things up or trying to make the company look bad? Didn't think so.
 
I hope everyone else is having as much fun with this as I am....look out! The his next post is gonna be a long one.....:D
 
I noticed a new BIG red line along the road along the gates on C. I wonder if that is fallout from this.
 
It wuz me on dat tug... I was high and crunked up on Malt Liquors..... I culd swears I wuz dwoin a drive by when it happened......
Bouyyyyy......
 
ohplease! said:
I never said anyone made anything up. I said you were WRONG. There is a difference.
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But I wasn't wrong, I was simply reporting what the FAA report said. There is a difference. There, that wasn't long, was it?
 
What is wrong with people?

OK, I started this thread just looking for some information from someone who might have it. Four pages later and we have no real facts, just a possible explanation and everyone at each other's throats. And this is all within our own company...over a safety issue.

I'm embarrassed for all of us. Thanks for those who actually tried to offer valid input, I appreciate it.
 

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