ASA PBS = No more CDO's

[V1rowt8]

So dal controls the trips.. Were lines better or worse prior to PBS? How did lines compare this time last year? PBS is why the lines are the way they are, not because of what DAL is giving ASA to fly.

 

[79%N1]

So how would 'pure lines' be better without the PBS? It would be the same pairings, just awarded differently.

 

[777forever]

So dal controls the trips.. Were lines better or worse prior to PBS? How did lines compare this time last year? PBS is why the lines are the way they are, not because of what DAL is giving ASA to fly.

This time last year the 200 did not have an avg stage length on 1:19. There were much longer flights with lots of frequency still given to the 50. ATL-YYZ, ATL-HPN, ATL-DSM etc. These days are longest flight I believe is ATL-MDT

If PBS was the problem then the 700 and IAD would be having the same issues

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

So how would 'pure lines' be better without the PBS? It would be the same pairings, just awarded differently.

Exactly, and without all the parameter's and options we have now with PBS. Some of you need to get it! This has nothing to do with PBS!

 

[crj567]

All these parameters are of no value if the company is allowed to design impossible pairings. Saying that "this is not a PBS. problem" is irrelevant. What matters is how this situation can affect our QOL. The source of our troubles now is not the PBS system per se, but it is the fact that the company can build whatever horrible trips it wants, with no trip rigs or effective restrictions whatsoever.

People are starting to really realize what kind of corner we have painted ourselves into. Without decent pairings, we can all effectively be turned into defacto reserves. The company can literally design pairings with such low credit that not one of us would be able to complete a schedule without dropping to min days off. It can get that bad!

Signing any PBS agreement without effective controls on pairing construction was the worst mistake our pilot group has ever made. The more people understand about the power gave the company, and the extent to which it can (and will) be abused, the more angry they will get. This situation is definitely not the kind of scenario we were sold, but it is exactly what more than a few of us tried to warn everyone about.

 

[mxaviator]

This time last year the 200 did not have an avg stage length on 1:19. There were much longer flights with lots of frequency still given to the 50. ATL-YYZ, ATL-HPN, ATL-DSM etc. These days are longest flight I believe is ATL-MDT

If PBS was the problem then the 700 and IAD would be having the same issues

You have no have no idea what you are talking about. I have ATL-YYZ three times this month, ATL-MSN a few times. Did FNT not too long ago as well. Check you facts.

 

[777forever]

You have no have no idea what you are talking about. I have ATL-YYZ three times this month, ATL-MSN a few times. Did FNT not too long ago as well. Check you facts.

Congratulations. The 200 has 2 like flights a week to YYZ. The 700/900 flies there EVERYDAY. Just because its on your pairing 3 times does not mean there is enough frequency to make higher block lines for the 200. Remember the avg stage length of 1:19 is the lowest in the 200's history

We fly ATL-MSN once a day, whereas we fly ATL-AGS 6 times a day. ATL-FNT is done primarily by the DC9 so that must have been a irregular flight on another once a week flight for the 200. Oh yeah, that will get the trips block/credit higher....

 

[BillJBrake]

Scope Out CRJ200s.

It'd be a great start to a greater cause!

 

[Skywest Pylot]

All these parameters are of no value if the company is allowed to design impossible pairings. Saying that "this is not a PBS. problem" is irrelevant. What matters is how this situation can affect our QOL. The source of our troubles now is not the PBS system per se, but it is the fact that the company can build whatever horrible trips it wants, with no trip rigs or effective restrictions whatsoever.

People are starting to really realize what kind of corner we have painted ourselves into. Without decent pairings, we can all effectively be turned into defacto reserves. The company can literally design pairings with such low credit that not one of us would be able to complete a schedule without dropping to min days off. It can get that bad!

Signing any PBS agreement without effective controls on pairing construction was the worst mistake our pilot group has ever made. The more people understand about the power gave the company, and the extent to which it can (and will) be abused, the more angry they will get. This situation is definitely not the kind of scenario we were sold, but it is exactly what more than a few of us tried to warn everyone about.

crj567,

Unfortunately you are tethered to a pilot group whose majority just isn't that bright. We could scream the realities of PBS until we are blue in the face but you just can't fix stupid. The best thing you can do now is move on to a Major (like I did) where there is a better chance of collectively bargaining for something better. Not saying Major pilots are better/superior to Regional pilots but there seems to be a sense of "Professionals should be compensated/treated like professionals" at the Majors. The "How little can I get by on" mentality at the Regionals is depressing. Just some food for thought.

 

[OCP]

Latest on web board is that rewrite MAY be coming.