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ASApuppy

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Anyone else see all this flights cancelled from ASA and then reassigned a 9xxx number and flown by another carrier. Now I'm fully aware that it's all Delta flying, but when its assigned to us and its on our schedule, I considerr that OURS. Does not our section 1 scope prevent this. If we let this continue on a daily basis, I believe we are opening Pandora's box. For an example of what I'm talking about, look up ATL-OKC today. ASA had 3 CR2 flights cancelled and 3 new flights at the same exact time added and flown by SKW. WTF Over??? We are way beyond our mx issues. Is this an effort by St George to justify our furloughs and prevent them from happening at SKY?
 

flyboyzz1

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prob still SKW birds still out there. They prob didn't know how long the snafu was going to last.
 

SpauldingSmails

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Anyone else see all this flights cancelled from ASA and then reassigned a 9xxx number and flown by another carrier. Now I'm fully aware that it's all Delta flying, but when its assigned to us and its on our schedule, I considerr that OURS.

Bing Bing Bing!!! That's Delta's flying... go grab a boroscope and get crackin'!
 

dispatchguy

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Well, looking at a couple of the canceled ASA flights, they are still being coded to the maintenance issue of a couple of days ago.

And it is ASA flying if and only if it is coded as ASA flying in a public flight schedule - under an ASA code, but since it is coded as DL flying, we can give it to anyone who is capable of running the flying.

I'm just happy that SKW is able to run the flying, as I commute to one of the affected cities.
 

JoeMerchant

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Anyone else see all this flights cancelled from ASA and then reassigned a 9xxx number and flown by another carrier. Now I'm fully aware that it's all Delta flying, but when its assigned to us and its on our schedule, I considerr that OURS. Does not our section 1 scope prevent this. If we let this continue on a daily basis, I believe we are opening Pandora's box. For an example of what I'm talking about, look up ATL-OKC today. ASA had 3 CR2 flights cancelled and 3 new flights at the same exact time added and flown by SKW. WTF Over??? We are way beyond our mx issues. Is this an effort by St George to justify our furloughs and prevent them from happening at SKY?

The simple answer is NO. According to YOUR union, you do not "own" this flying....It is all "owned" by DALPA....of course they don't have access to it either....Welcome to the Pandora's Box.....
 

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are you serious??? they are stepping in to help us since we cancelled almost 300 flights and you are asking that!?! puppy you make me sick. guess what, if we dont hit 95 percent this month, we have bigger problems.

talk about not being able to see the forrest for the trees. simply sad we work for the same company. we dont have airplanes! who should do it???
 

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I'd like to say thanks to Skywest for the help
 

ASApuppy

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are you serious??? they are stepping in to help us since we cancelled almost 300 flights and you are asking that!?! puppy you make me sick. guess what, if we dont hit 95 percent this month, we have bigger problems.

talk about not being able to see the forrest for the trees. simply sad we work for the same company. we dont have airplanes! who should do it???

Actually you have it completely friggen wrong mr skipper. These flights that I'm talking about are being cancelled ahead of time and have been long before this boroscope "reinspection". Hey guess what buddy, it goes against us. We still cancelled a flight. The fact that you don't get that makes me sick! I had OKC cancelled several weeks ago and was run by SKY. Just like the SKY guy said, they have 5 aircraft here to do flying that is in the schedule to be done by us. Why stop at 5, heck let SKY go out to the desert and pick up a hundred CRJ's and move them into ATL while ASA furloughs all of us. If we were on strike, this would be hands down, no question, scab work. But, if we are not on strike, its ok? Seriously people!
 

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Puppy,

Sorry to say it's Delta flying and you're just a contractor. So long as ASA meets its operational goals set by its contract, your job is secure. So long as the requirements for that contract meet the objectives of the next contract (ie does Delta want EMB 175's) you should be fine. I'm not trying to be a smart @ss but, as long as you work for a company that is selling to the lowest bidder, you're only along for the ride.
 

Beergut

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Anyone else see all this flights cancelled from ASA and then reassigned a 9xxx number and flown by another carrier. Now I'm fully aware that it's all Delta flying, but when its assigned to us and its on our schedule, I considerr that OURS. Does not our section 1 scope prevent this. If we let this continue on a daily basis, I believe we are opening Pandora's box. For an example of what I'm talking about, look up ATL-OKC today. ASA had 3 CR2 flights cancelled and 3 new flights at the same exact time added and flown by SKW. WTF Over??? We are way beyond our mx issues. Is this an effort by St George to justify our furloughs and prevent them from happening at SKY?

It's my understanding that we were already short of a/c due to ramp damage and unavailable parts before the grounding SNAFU ever happened. Skywest was covering for us. I wouldn't get too worried just yet.
 

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Incidentally, ASA covered some of the "Delta" flights that were impacted by the MD-88 grounding.

Good goes around!
 

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The simple answer is NO. According to YOUR union, you do not "own" this flying....It is all "owned" by DALPA....of course they don't have access to it either....Welcome to the Pandora's Box.....

Actually, the flying belongs to Delta, Inc., the holding company(broker) that now wholly owns Delta Airlines, NorthWest Airlines, Comair, Compass, and Mesaba. The same company that contracts with ASA, Mesa, Republic, and Skywest.
 

urflyingme?!

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I was down there and was worried about some BAD BAD blood while walking through the terminal. After some initial stares from my ASA cousins everyone (IE the ASA crews we were shuttling on each flight) was pretty cool after I said hello. T

hey did not help with belts, but apparently that's a SkyWest deal! Just kiddin.
 

WalterSobchak

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Prior to the grounding, SKW already had a couple of CRJ2's in ATL to cover ASA flying impacted by A/C shortage due to ramp damage.

The way I understand it (and I could be a little off on certain details), because ASA was not sure exactly how long the groundings were going to last, they pre-canceled a certain amount of flying on certain routes so that other DL Conx carriers would be able to commit x amount of A/C and y amount of crews for a definite amount of time for the sake of logistics planning.

While I can't speak to your contract or the long term affects of doing something like this... I can say that this was very quickly put together for the sake of maintaining a certain level operational integrity and passenger movement...not with any kind of malicious intent toward any particular pilot group.

The DL Connection carriers already, at the request of Mother Delta, check with each other's OCC's prior to canceling a ATL/CVG based trip in the event another DCI carrier can cover the flying. I know ASA has covered SKW a time or two when SKW had a CRJ9 go MX in an outstation and they were able to operate the flight with a spare CRJ2 and reserve crew.
 
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Dubya

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Prior to the grounding, SKW already had a couple of CRJ2's in ATL to cover ASA flying impacted by A/C shortage due to ramp damage.

The way I understand it (and I could be a little off on certain details), because ASA was not sure exactly how long the groundings were going to last, they pre-canceled a certain amount of flying on certain routes so that other DL Conx carriers would be able to commit x amount of A/C and y amount of crews for a definite amount of time for the sake of logistics planning.

While I can't speak to your contract or the long term affects of doing something like this... I can say that this was very quickly put together for the sake of maintaining a certain level operational integrity and passenger movement...not with any kind of malicious intent toward any particular pilot group.

The DL Connection carriers already, at the request of Mother Delta, check with each other's OCC's prior to canceling a ATL/CVG based trip in the event another DCI carrier can cover the flying. I know ASA has covered SKW a time or two when SKW had a CRJ9 go MX in an outstation and they were able to operate the flight with a spare CRJ2 and reserve crew.


Ahhh, fer cryin' in the mud Walter. You and your common sense. Just when I could see this thread descending into the fifth layer of FI regional bashing hell, you come along with your mother flipping common sense and practical analysis. Sheesh.

Quick, somebody get some flammable material and throw it.

I know, Mesa sucks!.

That's all I got.

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