Taco Rocket
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79%N1 said:Are you freakin crazy?!?!?! What do you know? It shows you are a complete mental midget to make a retarded statement like that! The Company gets away with what the NMB allows them to! ALPA has no control over that. The things that are LEGAL under the Railway Labor Act, ASA has done. What else should the ASA pilots do? Or, should we have just rolled over already like the Mesa pilots, CHQ pilots, and Comair pilots have in the near past? No pressure? You are a complete idiot! If management consitently stalls, comes unprepared, changes their mind, etc....what recourse do ASA pilots have? Answer.....NONE! We are bound by the RLA, and the whims of the mediator. As it stands, the mediator gave a March 3rd deadline, which has come and gone. What decision has he since made on the direction of these negotiations? NONE! So, wise a$$, what should we do?
Dave Benjamin said:Even the Dash 8-200 goes pretty senior. I think the most junior 200 CA in PDX has around 7 or 8 years. Someone from QX can correct my estimates but I think they're pretty close.
scarlet said:WE DO NOT NEED TO strike---heck we cannot afford to--but the union needs to ask the mediator for a week of self help from time to time...we need to do stage a day here a day there where 75% of the pilots don't show up for work...this causing havoc to the system and we still have income coming in...
We are double the size of Horizon and bring in so much more money than Horizon, so I don't think asking for thier payscale is to much!!!!
And for this current white house--why would you vote for someone that you KNOW will affect your wallet---?????????????? Wasting our union dues too..[/quote
Lets look at your first statement....You have aready lost!!You cannot tell them we are not going to strike but we want more money. They are laughing at you right now. You have to be willing to work at kroger for 6 months a year, what eveer it takes to get the contract you want..Staging a sick out is illegal and will only get you fired or the union fined(American).
The problem is that all of your pilots are not onboard,to many guys enjoy there 16 days off,live in atl and can't get another job. They don't want to rock the boat.It is the same at most all regionals. If you want a good contract you have to be unitifed. At NJA we kicked out the old MEC started our own local and voted in an industry leading contract in just under a year.Why because the majority of our pilots were willing to go and work somewhere else,KROGER,WALMART whatever.Mgmt has to know that you dont give a ******************** anymore and you are ready to STFD.(shut the f%$ker down).
Just my two cent,best of luck ASA.
horizon pilots demanded and received these rates. ASA pilots have let 3.5 years go by with no appreciable pressure on the company to negotiate in good faith. Having said that; why should they give you a raise?scarlet said:I just wishes someone would ask the company to explain how Horizon can pay these rates...yeah they do fly for ALK..and Frontier..so they must be some what competive??????
Hard to make a comparison between ASA and Horizon. ASA was formerly owned by bankrupt DAL and spun off for some survival cash. Horizon is owned by Alaska Air Group which is very profitable right now in spite of their attempts to claim they're struggling. Alaska enjoys a little monoply on flying up north so they have a built in profit center. AS pilots don't have a traditional scope clause in the contract. Another notable difference between Horizon and ASA is Horizon has 100% CRJ-700's. They never made the mistake of buying 50 seaters because scope didn't force them into it. They also have a large number of Q-400's which are amazing money makers. The break even load factor on a Q-400 is ridiculously low. Something else you have to look at with Horizon is upgrade time. DEN has some RJ CA's with less than 10 years seniority but outside of DEN I believe the most junior RJ CA has something like 15 years of service. Even the Dash 8-200 goes pretty senior. I think the most junior 200 CA in PDX has around 7 or 8 years. Someone from QX can correct my estimates but I think they're pretty close.scarlet said:I just wishes someone would ask the company to explain how Horizon can pay these rates...yeah they do fly for ALK..and Frontier..so they must be some what competive??????
Palerider957 said:horizon pilots demanded and received these rates. ASA pilots have let 3.5 years go by with no appreciable pressure on the company to negotiate in good faith. Having said that; why should they give you a raise?
Sinca3 said:79-
I personally think we as ASA pilots could put much more perssure on our mgmnt team.
1) BY THE BOOK.
2) BY THE PROFILES.
3) ONE CALL.
4) IF ITS BROKE WRITE IT UP.
5) NO MORE CELL PHONE USE.
Phony Marconi said:It's so simple.....those 5 things will cost the company more than a $5/hr raise.
yep. Sinca3 said it, so we must now do it.:laugh:Phony Marconi said:EXACTLY!
I been saying this for about 3 years. Maybe finally YOU PEOPLE will lissen, coming from Sinca.
It's so simple.....those 5 things will cost the company more than a $5/hr raise. But we've been picking up their incompetent pieces so long they EXPECT it.
STOP RIGHT NOW!!!!