ASA Negotiations...

["GO AROUND"]

Looks like progress is being made at the table. Seems they are all "focused" on getting this done. 5 down 6 sections to go. They even figured out a way to get the IP section moving along by having an IP in there for sec. 18.

Now they get to start chewing on the meat of the remaining stuff. The purely economic sections.


Still cautiously optomistic.

 

[www.]

They even figured out a way to get the IP section moving along by having an IP in there for sec. 18.

Yeah, probably BW. He would sell out the guys but then they can blame him.

 

[VeeOne]

I'm curious to know what the mediator told management on Monday durring their split sessions. Whatever it was it is producing results- so far. I wonder if Jerry Atkin will make an appearance since he was invited to attend by the mediator. Hopefully things move along and we get some results today as well- KEEP IT GOING GUYS!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Saw the email too. Keep it going.

 

[Crash Pad]

Five sections down and six to go! Sweet we are half way. Another four years and we should be on the verge of a full contract... Way to go guys keep up the good work.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Yeah, probably BW. He would sell out the guys but then they can blame him.

The IP's got together and proposed to ALPA and the company a way to keep the current pay but make them more efficient and productive. It's nice to have a representative from that group in there to help with that section.

The CNC and MEC havn't sold out in the last 4 years, even though there are those on this board that wanted them to just to get it done, so why would they let it happen now.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Five sections down and six to go! Sweet we are half way. Another four years and we should be on the verge of a full contract... Way to go guys keep up the good work.

5 out of 11 done is half way? Great math skills there Einstein! Did you make it through first grade?

Who would you have sold out or left behind to get it done faster?

 

[WWEfan]

Way to go, CNC. Can't wait to see the final product. Thanks for all your hard work. Just don't pay too much attention to the haters on this board who already caved on their contracts because management promised them growth. LMFAO!

 

[Tarzan]

5 out of 11 done is half way? Great math skills there Einstein! Did you make it through first grade?

Who would you have sold out or left behind to get it done faster?

45% done!!!! He's a pilot, not a mathmatics major. That's why I always carry my calculator for the load manifest. Numbers are HARD! If I could just find a calculator to do those pesky time calculations, I could be the complete FO!!

 

["GO AROUND"]

45% done!!!! He's a pilot, not a mathmatics major. That's why I always carry my calculator for the load manifest. Numbers are HARD! If I could just find a calculator to do those pesky time calculations, I could be the complete FO!!

Yeah, simple mathmatics aren't important in aviation or life in general. Nah. Or in contract negotiations?

Company: We'll split the difference and give you half of what you want.

Crashpad: That's great!!

Company to themselves: What a schmuck, we only gave him 45% instead of 50% and he doesn't know the difference.

Just giving it back cause he rags on the volunteers that are working for his pilot group.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Have we been here before? This all seems familiar.

Oh yeah, optimistically cautious!!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Good luck to ya guys...hope it's better than the steamy pile they offered us!!

 

[atrdriver]

45% done!!!! He's a pilot, not a mathmatics major. That's why I always carry my calculator for the load manifest. Numbers are HARD! If I could just find a calculator to do those pesky time calculations, I could be the complete FO!!

FWIW, the Sporty's electronic E6B will do time calculations, and if you have a Palm or a Treo there is a program that does them. I never could have lived without it.

 

[atrdriver]

II wonder if Jerry Atkin will make an appearance since he was invited to attend by the mediator.

It was our MEC that sent the invitation to JA to attend the meetings.

 

[jehtplane]

Have we been here before? This all seems familiar.

Oh yeah, optimistically cautious!!

That is the best way to be, you are talking about a company that would eat their own young. I wish all my former brothers and sisters good luck, hope something gets done soon. It has been way too long!!!!!!

 

[regionalcap]

Five sections down and six to go! Sweet we are half way. Another four years and we should be on the verge of a full contract... Way to go guys keep up the good work.

After these 5 are done...that leaves 6 open sections out of 30 total sections. Little bit more than half.

 

[Tarzan]

FWIW, the Sporty's electronic E6B will do time calculations, and if you have a Palm or a Treo there is a program that does them. I never could have lived without it.

I use a Palm right now. If you have a link or name of a program I could search, I would be saved. Nothing worse than sitting there, puzzling over how to substact minutes. I can calculate fuel burns and 3 degree glideslopes pretty (snowflake takes the fun out of it but it beats getting hollered down for not making a crossing restriction) easily but those minutes kick my butt.

GoAround, I just had to through it out there. It only proves I have a calculator sitting next to my computer.

 

[FightingIrish]

The IP's got together and proposed to ALPA and the company a way to keep the current pay but make them more efficient and productive. It's nice to have a representative from that group in there to help with that section.

The CNC and MEC havn't sold out in the last 4 years, even though there are those on this board that wanted them to just to get it done, so why would they let it happen now.

First off, this is great news. We need to get this done.

I assume you are talking about people like me with your "sold out" comment. Nobody wanted to "sell out" to get this thing done. We just wanted ALPA to drop some of the demands. That isn't "selling out".

Nobody wanted to "sell out" the instructors, but they will have to become more productive for the money they make. I agree that it is good to have an instructor in there. The question is why did it take over 4 years to get an instructor in there? Is it safe to say the instructors will have to work harder for their money now?

The retirement plan also has to go.

Seems like BOTH sides are feeling the heat - now get it done!

 

[Richard Gozinya]

We just wanted ALPA to drop some of the demands......Nobody wanted to "sell out" the instructors, but they will have to become more productive for the money they make.

Why is it you always want ALPA to drop demands and give in, never the company. How about the company getting just a small bit more productive for their money, HUH? Somewhere above 40% required staffing on the ramp? Just somewhere other than DOUBLE our next great bag looser in the industry. How 'bout them getting a little more productive. If we flew like they ran this company, we would shut down! Just because they say they are going to change doesn't mean they are.

Dick

 

[embdrvr]

I use a Palm right now. If you have a link or name of a program I could search, I would be saved. Nothing worse than sitting there, puzzling over how to substact minutes. I can calculate fuel burns and 3 degree glideslopes pretty (snowflake takes the fun out of it but it beats getting hollered down for not making a crossing restriction) easily but those minutes kick my butt.

You need a calculator to figure out when to start down and what your descent rate should be?