ASA Negotiations Resume Today

[WWEfan]

Give 'em hell, guys.

 

[VeeOne]

Hopefully we will see some progress. I am very eager to hear how much the company moved in their vairious "proposals". I'd be willing to bet that since they have several that are pre-drafted, one contains good movement financially but lacks scope, and the other has scope, but does not provide much monetary movement. Thus we will not show much movement and end up looking foward to more dates sometime around late August, maybe September.

 

[HarryParatestes]

Give 'em hell, guys.

Yawn :erm: It will be the same old song and dance from the NMB

 

[samballs]

ASA will give the same contract and say its the best offer, why would they budge, they have no pressure by the pilot group or NMB.

 

[ASApuppy]

The pressure will come from the fact that we can't recuit new pilots. Fact is we are losing more people than we can hire, which is more than we can train. We are shrinking and management has yet to do anything about it other than lowering the minimums. Problem with that is our training program isn't really designed for such low time pilots. Simply put, these pilots need additional training to suppliment their experience.

I predict the next move from management will come in the form of hiring bonuses for new hires that complete training. That of course will drive a wedge in the work group.

Personally, I'm glad that these negotiations have taken this long. The power is clearly shifting back toward labor. When we started negotiating, there was a pile of resumes for every one of our jobs. Now there are none. Back then, while we were making an undisclosed amount of money, airlines as a whole were losing big. Right now the industry is much more healthy.

Scope is important. But people, please keep the facts straight. Our flying has not been transferred to Skywest. If it was, it would have been considered the same as us staging a sick-out. We transferred 4 CRJ-700's, but took delivery of 4 CRJ-200's from the desert at the same time. Smoke and mirrors people!

I still believe a lot hinges on the Skywest Union drive. Some of the testimony should be alarming to those who sit on the other side of the fence. ALPA may not be perfect, but there is no doubt who's side of the table they are sitting at.

 

[av8er2]

ASA is losing a lot of experienced pilots and they can't even replace them with inexperienced pilots.

This problem is only going to get worse but the idiots in mgt. are not fixing it. That is why I think they want ASA pilot group to shrink for some reason.

If the same old stuff happens after the next two days than all ASA pilots should be worried. I think that really means they are stalling for a reason that is not good for ASA pilots.

 

[VeeOne]

We are not losing more people than we can hire. Lately, we have actually come out ahead of where we were. We have finally hired more than we have lost. Our classes are being filled, but at the last minute, by a wider spread of low time guys than prior hiring sprees. Management is smart enough to realize that giving us a contract isn't going to get more people to stay. Actually, I think more would quit- many seem to be staying in an effort to collect their retro check.........a totally stupid notion. People are going to leave with or without a contract as long as the grass is greener on the other side of the fence- Delta, United, Continental, AirTran, etc.

I expect nothing to change- it's going to be the same old song and dance.

 

[HarryParatestes]

ASA is losing a lot of experienced pilots and they can't even replace them with inexperienced pilots.

This problem is only going to get worse but the idiots in mgt. are not fixing it. That is why I think they want ASA pilot group to shrink for some reason.

If the same old stuff happens after the next two days than all ASA pilots should be worried. I think that really means they are stalling for a reason that is not good for ASA pilots.

Idiots as far as management or mismanagement, yes. Smart as in stringing the contract along for nearly five years and the lacky from the NMB. The NMB guy is either stupid or scared. Cannot make a decision on his own. Bumbling idiot.

 

[601Pilot]

ASA will give the same contract and say its the best offer, why would they budge, they have no pressure by the pilot group or NMB.

That's what I have been saying, but no one is listening. All of their chips are on the CNC; I sure hope they have some good luck this week.

 

[WWEfan]

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[COOPERVANE]

staaaaaallllllinnnnnngggggg!

Cough, Cough!! not feeling too well today!!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I drove all over Atlanta today looking for them. I finally found them and shot a little video to see how negotiations were going....

CLICK HERE

PS I can't believe how pissed that NMB guy got. And what's with Bryan hitting from the red tees?

 

[~~~^~~~]

We are not losing more people than we can hire. Lately, we have actually come out ahead of where we were.

Six left today, as of lunch time. Expect over 40 for the month.

 

[crjskipper]

no update by 1130 is probably a good sign that they are hitting it hard, maybe some decent news tomorrow. you never know.

 

[SiuDude]

Mediated negotiations resumed Thursday in Atlanta. Discussions began in the morning, continued throughout the day and well into the evening.
We would like to report more, but at the request of the mediator we can not divulge the details of the discussions. Some progress is being made and we will report all the facts at the end of the session Friday evening or Saturday.

 

[Tomct]

Good news that they went late into the night. I hope that the company finally gets real! Only time will tell.
Come on Lucky 7!imp:

 

[WWEfan]

no update by 1130 is probably a good sign that they are hitting it hard, maybe some decent news tomorrow. you never know.

The ALPA website had the update at 11pm. If you dont want to wait for the email I suggest you check there first.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

I drove all over Atlanta today looking for them. I finally found them and shot a little video to see how negotiations were going....

CLICK HERE

PS I can't believe how pissed that NMB guy got. And what's with Bryan hitting from the red tees?

I loved that scene along with the golf cart crash!

 

[www.]

We are not losing more people than we can hire. Lately, we have actually come out ahead of where we were. We have finally hired more than we have lost. Our classes are being filled, but at the last minute, by a wider spread of low time guys than prior hiring sprees.

Buddy I don't know where you get your info but the fronline people would tell you your full of it.

 

[ASADriver]

I haven't seen any time and a half memo for July yet. Maybe we are catching up.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I haven't seen any time and a half memo for July yet. Maybe we are catching up.

We are catching up, but if resumes don't start coming in, we will get behind again. Scheduling is still behind in a few seats, but not in the red like a couple of months ago.

 

[Tarzan]

Dispatch is also way short. But don't worry, that line of thunderstorms in your filed flight path.... It's disappating.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Well, it's over again with no results. Gee Whiz.

Now what boys? What's the big game plan? Let's see the "Plan B" Zerb spoke of at the meeting.

And what's up with the mediator's gag rule? Trying to avoid Flightinfo contraversy? Do we pay your salary or the NMB? We have a right to know what went on!

 

[GeekMaster]

I can understand the gag rule IF and ONLY IF they're planning to jump right back in the washing machine and get the last stains out. Perhaps there is an extension planned at the first of the week. If it's going to be another 6-12 weeks before they announce more sessions, yes, we deserve at least a little more info on the sessions. I understand not jeopardizing the progress by giving such details that are certainly going to upset one part of the pilot group or another, but at least let us know in general terms......ie-2 sections left open or "within 1% on payrates". They don't have to disclose exactly which way the movement went.

 

[crjskipper]

plan a - we will get released by the nmb

plan b - blame not getting released on the nmb

 

[John Pennekamp]

Plan B =

"We'll do more 'informational' picketing! We mean it! Don't make us go to SGU again! We'll call the Media! We'll tell our pilots to 'fly the contract' again! Then we're going to Washington! Heeeeeeaaahhhhhh!"

 

[ASADriver]

Plan B - Get out the golf clubs, we get another 4 weeks off while nothing happens.

 

[ohplease!]

we won't be released but, perhaps they made enough progress to get a couple more dates in the next week or two rather than 6-8 like normal.

Although there was not an agreement reached (big shock), from all indications I've gotten, they made good progress (also a big shock). Maybe, just maybe, our voices of concern at the last LEC meeting did not fall on deaf ears (on BOTH sides). I remain cautiously optimistic about the near future and reaching a TA.

There will be a P2P call tomorrow and hopefully they will be able to release more details on the last two days events. If anyone (ASA) has any questions you'd like to run by the MEC, please PM me and I'll make a list of those questions.

 

[John Pennekamp]

There will be a P2P call tomorrow and hopefully they will be able to release more details on the last two days events. If anyone (ASA) has any questions you'd like to run by the MEC, please PM me and I'll make a list of those questions.

There's a p2p call tomorrow?

Funny, I didn't get the memo on that one. First time in 5 years. Guess you get removed from the list if you ask the wrong questions in the call...

But they don't punish dissenters... really.

 

[ohplease!]

There's a p2p call tomorrow?

Funny, I didn't get the memo on that one. First time in 5 years. Guess you get removed from the list if you ask the wrong questions in the call...

But they don't punish dissenters... really.

I haven't been told "officially" just through the grapevine.