ASA Nap Reduction....

[Stifler's Mom]

Are you guys able to sleep the 3-4 hours on naps when you get to the hotel? I'd be afraid I'd oversleep and be running out the door....also I feel like crap after 3-4 hrs of sleeping....it's either a short nap or I'm in bed for the long haul.

At ASA we encourage all the new parents to bid these. 3-4 hours in a hotel is a dream compared to being up every 2 hours with a newborn at home.

 

[Papps]

Lots of guys like naps. I don't bid anything else. Once you get used to the sleep pattern, there's nothing dangerous about them at all.

Except the fact that they make people age in dog years.

 

[Browntothebone]

More staged overnights = MORE 4 day trips!

Watch and see.

What's so bad about a 4 day trip? Those are cake here.

 

[aeropharoh]

with 150 captains on res on the 200 we should just create more nap lines and spread the credit out. The company just doesnt want nappers to have 16 days off.

 

[Medeco]

Except the fact that they make people age in dog years.

That is sooooo true!

Medeco

 

[Medeco]

Bid reserve. I haven't flown in almost a month!

Hope i still remember..

Did you notice the Ready Reserve assignment tangent they went on last week?

Some got two days in a row.

Medeco

 

[USCtrojan]

The Company is required to try and be efficient. While there is a need for some Nap lines, they are horribly inefficient. They Credit quite a bit of flight time, while in return only block typically 2-3 hours pending on destinations. I believe the Company is trying to bring our costs down for long time viability. If that means reducing Nap lines for a little while while our DCI Contract goals trigger, so be it. It's a give and take, and at least the Company is giving. It's nice they've offered so many Nap lines as long as they did. They're not "screwing" anybody. At least not like the days of old.

Trojan

 

[jstyle13]

Did you notice the Ready Reserve assignment tangent they went on last week?

Some got two days in a row.

Medeco

Thats what happens now when you're that chump at the top of the list with 6-5 days of reserve availibilty.....

 

[Abernathy]

Did you notice the Ready Reserve assignment tangent they went on last week?

Some got two days in a row.

Medeco

Noticed. Also noticed that none of them really ended up flying.

 

[SLUF4]

also bad if you're on reserve and they just throw a few random naps in there you have to adjust to

 

[No Delay]

I hate when people make the argument that naps are unsafe.

I believe it has more to do with the individual.

I love naps. They fit "me" and my sleep habits. I realize that they are not for everyone. If you don't like them...fine - don't bid for them. But don't say they are unsafe because you don't like them.

To me, 4 days are dangerous. By day four, I am so home-sick that my mind is on being at home more than flying the airplane...and that can be just as unsafe!


I wish we had not asked for rigs to apply to naps. Seems it messed up the whole order of things. Now the most senior guys (not always the ones best suited for naps) are bidding naps because of line credit. They sing the "unsafe" song...but they love the money...and they keep on bidding them.

 

[damnflyboy]

This is a late post in this thread so it will probably never be read, but...

Scott came into our recurrent and said that naps are not going away because he knows that they are necessary.

I like the long ones that pay over 7 hours and give me over 8 hours of sleep. There were a ton of those lines fall/winter.

I wonder if they'll still be like that.

 

[spudskier]

What's so bad about a 4 day trip? Those are cake here.

What's so bad!? My time is worth more than that. I have a 2nd job and a wife. Why sit on my duff for 17hour overnights, 2 legs a day and 17 hours of block when I could be working a 3-day, get 19 hours of block, work my butt off and go home, sleep in my own bed with my wife on the 3rd night instead of LAW or SHV.

Work me or don't. but I can sit around at home thnx... (or work my 2nd job at home). 4-6 leg days are rough, but get it over with, go home and enjoy not being at work. More days off = more better.

4-days are a waste of my time and my life... I'd take 3-day weekends over 4-day weekdays any time.(even though I can hold 3-day partial weekends off most months)


P.S. if I wasn't a commuter I'd bid day lines or 2-days but 3-days are a better use of my time as a commuter.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Let me see if I have this straight. Some of you think naps are unsafe and some of you think 4 days are unsafe. Oh yeah, and some of you think Scott is a "tool" for recognizing that the pay credit for actual flight time on a nap is inefficient.

If you can't recognize that naps are a great deal for those pilots that want to fly them, then you probably do think Scott is clueless. I happen to fly both long trips and naps at the same time. I do a 6 day pattern and from time to time, one of the legs is in the middle of the night. I get 3 hours to sleep in the bunk. Same as a nap as I fly before and after. I guess I am in horribly unsafe!

Bottom line is that we pilots do a perceived easy job that is tough on your body no matter what type of schedule you operate.

 

[Browntothebone]

What's so bad!? My time is worth more than that. I have a 2nd job and a wife. Why sit on my duff for 17hour overnights, 2 legs a day and 17 hours of block when I could be working a 3-day, get 19 hours of block, work my butt off and go home, sleep in my own bed with my wife on the 3rd night instead of LAW or SHV.

Work me or don't. but I can sit around at home thnx... (or work my 2nd job at home). 4-6 leg days are rough, but get it over with, go home and enjoy not being at work. More days off = more better.

4-days are a waste of my time and my life... I'd take 3-day weekends over 4-day weekdays any time.(even though I can hold 3-day partial weekends off most months)


P.S. if I wasn't a commuter I'd bid day lines or 2-days but 3-days are a better use of my time as a commuter.

Just curious as to why you have a second job? Doesn't your pay as an airline pilot (already above almost everyone else in the country) bring home enough for you? Sounds like you are living beyond your means and should downsize your lifestyle and expenses.