ASA more negotiation dates

[Crash Pad]

I think we should take SKYW lock stock and barrel... I stand to make an extra 10K a year with there contract. I know everyone thinks it is impossible for them to make more than us... but they do.

I believe SKYW would sign that one.

Note: My plan stems from knowing we won't get released during this administration.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Question for someone knowledgable in Union procedure- Is there any way to get a Judge, Senator, or other qualified public official to intervene and force the NMB to either A.Bring these negotiations to a conclusion. Or B. Release the parties?

 

[hmmurdock]

I think we should take SKYW lock stock and barrel... I stand to make an extra 10K a year with there contract. I know everyone thinks it is impossible for them to make more than us... but they do.

I believe SKYW would sign that one.

Note: My plan stems from knowing we won't get released during this administration.

Greetings..Don't forget that Skywest has no contract. They only have an agreement which can be violated at will by mgt.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Question for someone knowledgable in Union procedure- Is there any way to get a Judge, Senator, or other qualified public official to intervene and force the NMB to either A.Bring these negotiations to a conclusion. Or B. Release the parties?

According to the union, John Prater has been doing just that since our first request for a release. Banging his drum in Washington. Still no release.

You have to wonder, as bad as Woerth was, maybe he would have had the political capitol to make it happen. The power people in Washington don't know Prater from Adam.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Greetings..Don't forget that Skywest has no contract. They only have an agreement which can be violated at will by mgt.

Which is exactly why the company doesn't want to offer it to us. They'd offer it with no union (so they can change it later at whim) but want to offer us less than Skywest locked in. This is because Skywest will be taking a huge pay and benefits cut if the union drive fails and we settle. Several friends at Skywest have already told me this is the "word on the street" in SLC.

 

[sweptback]

This is because Skywest will be taking a huge pay and benefits cut if the union drive fails and we settle. Several friends at Skywest have already told me this is the "word on the street" in SLC.

This is what a lot of the anti-ALPA SkyWest pilots don't realize! If they keep voting down a union, management is going to quit taking the threat seriously. If there's no unionization threat, then there's no reason to pay them competitive wages and benefits.

EDIT: Oh crap, I'm over 1000 posts. I better stop before I turn into General Lee...

 

[John Pennekamp]

This is what a lot of the anti-ALPA SkyWest pilots don't realize! If they keep voting down a union, management is going to quit taking the threat seriously. If there's no unionization threat, then there's no reason to pay them competitive wages and benefits.

EDIT: Oh crap, I'm over 1000 posts. I better stop before I turn into General Lee...

I can't believe I'm agreeing with you.

I talked to a friend the other day who is ex-ASA. When he first started there, he was chugging the Kool-Aid. Not any more. He said word is getting around that they will "start to lose all their stuff" if the drive fails, because "Jerry's only giving us this stuff to keep the union out". He thinks the momentum is shifting to vote in the union, especially after all the SAPA antics.

 

[shamrock]

He said word is getting around that they will "start to lose all their stuff" if the drive fails, because "Jerry's only giving us this stuff to keep the union out".

Wow, do ya think?!?

 

[samballs]

It's clear that the pressure needs to come from the pilots now! We have a month to light a fire under mgmt's butt! This time EVERYONE needs to get involved! Enough excuses you cowards!!! The NMB is obviously in bed with mgmt! This is the only way!

EVERY CAPTAIN, EVERY TIME, FLY THE CONTRACT --NOTHING MORE!!!

Thats never been said before, today one of your 700 captains was helping take pink tags off so the plane could do a quick turn back to ATL.

 

[Tarzan]

Thats never been said before, today one of your 700 captains was helping take pink tags off so the plane could do a quick turn back to ATL.

I am not an ALPA chest thumper but I find that pretty sad.

 

[samballs]

The union is shocked? YGBFKM! They must be the ONLY ones who did not expect this!

Are our leaders completely clueless or what?!!!

Time for a change in leadership, folks. When the pitcher starts to stumble in the top of the 9th, you put your closer in.

Problem is, you guys are maybe in the 4th or 5th inning

 

[samballs]

Surprise? There's no surprise and the MEC knows it.
KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND YOU'LL KEEP GETTIN WHAT YOU'RE GETTIN

That said, there's another element here that no one has considered....or at least mentioned on this thread. Whatever happened last time under the gag order, both parties acknowledged that considerable progress was made by both sides. We just don't know what it was. Perhaps our CNC "has" begun looking at an approach more in line with saving ASA. We can definitely bet the company is willing to move a little more in light of their admitted hiring problems.

I still lay this out there as I have in the past. We still need to be careful not to price ourselves out of business. Perhaps the best way to insure that at this point is to get it done "outside" of a release. The problem for ALPA national on this is that whatever Jerry pays ASA is going to be given to SKW to keep ALPA off the property.

When I was a little kid my parents told me Santa was real, I believed them, then I got older and realized he was a myth. Try not too believe more than 2% of what Management says. When you believe more than 2% it causes you too make statements like above

 

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never mind - almost wrote something I should not. Would not be the first time 'eh?

 

[Airboss]

The company released a memo today saying the negotiations are from Aug 28-31st. I didn't see that many days coming.