ASA more negotiation dates

[John Pennekamp]

No, I don't think that's what he meant. To keep the baseball analogy going, I think the closer we're talking about here is a 22 year old pitcher, just called up from Triple A Pawtucket, who's first pitch will be a meatball over the center of the plate that will be knocked over the Monster seats for an easy win by the visiting team.

Hey, at least it'll all be over then, right?

OK, so lets hear your strategy too. And it better be more than "fly the contract, don't call for anything".

 

[Smacktard]

Well, my thought was that maybe we should replace these reps who have no plan at all to get us out of this with some that do. Especially since this "decision" seems to have blindsided them. They are like the Chinese definition of insanity. They keep repeating the same mistakes hoping for a different result every time.

Since you seem to have all the answers, let's hear your strategy, oh wise one.

My strategy? Well, it wouldn't involve changing this late in the process. The only thing we can do is continue to negotiate under the guidelines of the RLA. Any change in our leadership will further undermine any gains we've made. We're victims of a lousy time in the industry and it affects our ability to negotiate a better contract. Supply was high demand was low, it's changing now in our favor. Perhaps we'll be able to catch the tail end of this reversal and profit along with the company.

 

[John Pennekamp]

My strategy? Well, it wouldn't involve changing this late in the process.

You dodged the question. You already told us what you WOULDN'T DO. Try again.

The only thing we can do is continue to negotiate under the guidelines of the RLA. Any change in our leadership will further undermine any gains we've made. We're victims of a lousy time in the industry and it affects our ability to negotiate a better contract. Supply was high demand was low, it's changing now in our favor. Perhaps we'll be able to catch the tail end of this reversal and profit along with the company.

So basically, you think we should just keep doing what we've been doing for 5 years. Because that's what you described.

By the way, ASA and Skywest have been wildly profitable for a long time, so what are we going to catch the "tail end of"?

 

[sweptback]

The person John Pennekamp has in mind is none other than WF. (It's not hard to figure out who he is when he posts the same exact thing on the ALPA boards.) He talks about how the union is on the wrong track, but the strategy that the MEC is using was set in place by him during his term over the last three years! So why exactly did he allow the MEC to proceed under the supposed wrong direction when he had the power to change it? Four months ago he was ALPA's biggest supporter, and now he wants to recall the whole lot.

WF wants to be in office simply to have power, and quite honestly that's the last person we need as a leader.

 

[John Pennekamp]

The person John Pennekamp has in mind is none other than WF. (It's not hard to figure out who he is when he posts the same exact thing on the ALPA boards.) He talks about how the union is on the wrong track, but the strategy that the MEC is using was set in place by him during his term over the last three years! So why exactly did he allow the MEC to proceed under the supposed wrong direction when he had the power to change it? Four months ago he was ALPA's biggest supporter, and now he wants to recall the whole lot.

WF wants to be in office simply to have power, and quite honestly that's the last person we need as a leader.

No. WF has had enough, which is why he's no longer involved in any capacity and has no interest in holding any office. Another unoriginal post. You got a plan?

Regardless of what the plan was and who supported who, if the plan ain't working you need to come up with a new one. They don't seem capable of that.

 

[HarryParatestes]

Be ready to bend over and take it in the rear. The Republican administration will not allow an airline to strike or even slow down (ASA can't get much slower). The NMB will drag along with the company and continue putting your careers and earnings on hold.

 

[BIGGOAT]

A Democratic Administration might let you strike for a better contract but then take it back with higher taxes.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

That is a fact. You will earn more, but keep less. The Dems make earning money an exercise in futility. The incentive to improve your standard of living by getting that better job or starting a company is GONE. I mean, it's still there, it's just that they'll take most of it and give it to poor fat people. The only people who will vote for them. If y'all elect Hillary, I hope you have nightmares of making love to her frumpy midsection.

 

[DoinTime]

A Democratic Administration might let you strike for a better contract but then take it back with higher taxes.

To keep things a little closer to reality here the Dems want to tax the crap out of the top 3% of money earners in the country. No ASA (or any other regional) pilot fits that description.

If the Republicans could stop their rampant spending sprees while they are in office the Dems wouldn't have to jack up the taxes just to maintain a hint of financial discipline.

 

[Medeco]

To keep things a little closer to reality here the Dems want to tax the crap out of the top 3% of money earners in the country. No ASA (or any other regional) pilot fits that description.

If the Republicans could stop their rampant spending sprees while they are in office the Dems wouldn't have to jack up the taxes just to maintain a hint of financial discipline.

Thats Reality?

How about this: The top 5% pay more that 50% of all taxes!


While I will agree the Republicans gave lip service to less spending, but did the same as Dems have and will.

Raising taxes doesnt equal maintaining financial discipline.

The Federal Govt and the State Govt are all FAT on Tax revenue. The last thing we need is more taxes.

If you ever do reach the top 3% of EARNERS, you will more than likely change your tune. But, if your ok with your government stealing money from those who earn it and redistributing to those who dont, then I'm talking to a brick wall.

Class warfare, and income redistribution is wrong, plane and simple. The Dems play lip service to that everyday.

The answer: Less Govt = Less taxes

FairTAX.org

The sad truth is the American society is POP culture driven, and expects the Federal Govt. to solve everything.

The average person thinks we live in a Democracy!

Name one Federal agency that does anything GREAT?

Less = more

We all chose this industry and the crap that comes with it. Dems nor Rep are going to change this industry and the Labor VS Management mentality.

Face it, your either Labor or your Management, and with that comes the plus and minus.

Ive done both, and decided I like being able to leave work at work.

My income will increase from other ventures, if you wait for your Govt to increase your take home income, youll be waiting along time.

Medeco

 

[gator_hater]

To keep things a little closer to reality here the Dems want to tax the crap out of the top 3% of money earners in the country. No ASA (or any other regional) pilot fits that description.

If the Republicans could stop their rampant spending sprees while they are in office the Dems wouldn't have to jack up the taxes just to maintain a hint of financial discipline.

Fact: If taxes go up on the wealthy, their discretionary spending goes down, along with the spending at corporations, and the economy slows. This leaves the little guys with less to spend and travel drops.

Your statement is half right Washington is spending too much money, but the solution is not higher taxes, the solution is less spending.

 

[goahead]

I'm voting for Chcuk Norris

 

[John Pennekamp]

Holy thread hijack, Batman!

 

[gator_hater]

Holy thread hijack, Batman!

Yea. sorry for that but I couldn't let it go wth out a response. the dems scare me too much

 

[HarryParatestes]

I'm voting for Chcuk Norris

Chuck Norris is the F'ing man!

 

[VeeOne]

The person John Pennekamp has in mind is none other than WF. (It's not hard to figure out who he is when he posts the same exact thing on the ALPA boards.) He talks about how the union is on the wrong track, but the strategy that the MEC is using was set in place by him during his term over the last three years! So why exactly did he allow the MEC to proceed under the supposed wrong direction when he had the power to change it? Four months ago he was ALPA's biggest supporter, and now he wants to recall the whole lot.

WF wants to be in office simply to have power, and quite honestly that's the last person we need as a leader.

Just to clarify how you view this-

Will F. was in support of you in the public eye, but disagreed privately with how things were going, or how they would turn out. Thus, after being ousted by the pilot group because of a percieved hard line and hot head (which many thought were in line with BA and result in a strike out of spite) he is now just another member of the pilot group. He SHOULD be able to voice how he feels and his views, even if they are not in line with your's, or even the rest of the MEC's veiwpoints. His contributions to ALPA and his dues money has EARNED his right to voice his discern. I am starting to see a whole lot of commonality between your "boys club" and the situation with Joe Merchant. It is becoming more apparent that you simply squash and slander anyone that disagrees with the MEC/LEC.

With that being said...................

This negotiating debacle is going to continue on, and on, and on, and on, and on.......regardless of who does or doesn't call for what, and how many times they do it by the contract, except when it benafits them for the freedom leg, and the occasional exception...........is that clear????

It is time to start exploring other avenues, up to and including, putting the current offer up on the table with some COLA. Don't think it is what the pilot group wants, then do some REAL POLLING that isn't post dated 2001 and what the pilots wanted then.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Guy's, I think if you re=submit anything at this point it will cause extended negotiations. Tell the mediator our where your gonna be will not back off. Tell them they can extend negotiations to Kingdom come and your not going to back off. Tell them they can beg /plead or anything else they want to try, and you're not going to back off. Enough is Enough. if you want to use baseball analogies then tell em you're going to start throwing at the batter!

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

BTW- "Good Luck, we're all counting on you."

 

[701EV]

I have to agree with JP on this one. How can our union be schocked at this decision. They should have seen this comming! Sometimes you have to shake things up to get what you want.

I also agree, that I don't think Will wants to jump back into the frying pan. I almost wonder if we should let it drag out. They can't seem to fill the newhire classes now.

Just my 2 cents

701EV

 

[VeeOne]

Guy's, I think if you re=submit anything at this point it will cause extended negotiations. Tell the mediator our where your gonna be will not back off. Tell them they can extend negotiations to Kingdom come and your not going to back off. Tell them they can beg /plead or anything else they want to try, and you're not going to back off. Enough is Enough. if you want to use baseball analogies then tell em you're going to start throwing at the batter!

If we don't back off, and we tell the mediator that, he will just park us. No release, and only the status quoe. I think technically, we can be parked for an INDEFINATE period of time.