ASA MEC draws a line in the sand

[PBRstreetgang]

Any PBS is a concession, wile you might gain a minimal amount of control in scheduling your month, you will lose far more in daily operations. BH and his minions want to be able to control your monthly schedule from behind the curtain. Unless you retain control of the pairings and running of the solution you will lose BIG. Pilots love to think they are smart, but in reality management has been stealing your lunch money for the last decade+. Keep it simple, if they want it, ask why?

 

[nerjdriver]

You are exactly right on this one!!

AND the company does not want flightline because it DOES NOT provide the cost savings that PBS is supposed to provide. J in JCBA is Joint, not ASA way or bust.. XJT has come off line bidding only and looking into pbs, but the ASA guys have got to meet everybody in the middle. The ASA MEC effectively is out to lunch and has hung their group out to dry.

 

[mesaba13]

Do you guys do hard lines? I have ben junior and senior under PBS and Hard lines and PBS wins hands down.

 

[ASApuppy]

The reason the XJT MEC wants a globalized PBS system is because it marginalizes seniority. They know full well that the seniority list will not go 100% relative
and will be influenced by longevity. That means XJT pilots are sliding down, so they are trying to put a system in place that does not honor seniority.

Having lived with both, our PBS is hands down better than our old line bidding. We should be working on capturing the control of pairing construction and post award modifications.

 

[wms]

Just as the ASA MEC chose flight line, the XJT MEC has done the same with smartpref. Who is to say that smartpref won't be liked by the pilots as much or more as flight line is by the ASA pilots?

The ASA mec didn't choose prefbid. They did road shows and we voted on it fully informed.

 

[mckpickle]

The ASA mec didn't choose prefbid. They did road shows and we voted on it fully informed.

Really, they allowed you to vote on a funtioning version of Karmen, AOE, Navtch and flightline? Dude, stop being sheeple.

 

[sweptback]

Really, they allowed you to vote on a funtioning version of Karmen, AOE, Navtch and flightline? Dude, stop being sheeple.

The reason you elect representatives is to handle decisions for you. That's the whole point of a representative democracy. Same as our local, state, and federal governments.

 

[mckpickle]

The reason you elect representatives is to handle decisions for you. That's the whole point of a representative democracy. Same as our local, state, and federal governments.

I agree with you. I was trying to argue the point the previous poster made that he got to vote on all the systems out there as being false. You folks didn't see anything other than flightline. After all the vendors gave their 1-2 hour demonstration.

 

[Nevets]

The ASA mec didn't choose prefbid. They did road shows and we voted on it fully informed.

What other choices of PBS systems did they demonstrate to you and let you vote on?

 

[wms]

No others. It was go to prefbid or keep line bidding.

 

[CFIT]

No others. It was go to prefbid or keep line bidding.

I think ASA was offered the crap system used at SkyWest Airlines, AOS.

But it was so bad, it wasn't considered.

So I was told..........

 

[Thebadcat1313]

I think ASA was offered the crap system used at SkyWest Airlines, AOS.

But it was so bad, it wasn't considered.

So I was told..........

This is correct

 

[mckpickle]

The point to take from that is that it's the work rules that matter. Many pilots we interviewed had the same sentiments about flightline on their property. It's about the work rules.

 

[damnflyboy]

Divide & Conquer. Follow the foul trickle: Legacies vs. Legacies, Legacies vs. Pilots, Legacies vs. Regionals, Regionals vs. Regionals, Regionals vs. Pilots, and now Pilots vs. Pilots. Bravo.

 

[Nevets]

No others. It was go to prefbid or keep line bidding.

Ok, so the MEC only gave you one choice is what you meant to say. Pref bid or keep losing aircraft to Skywest. Seems like the same thing may happen again if your MEC doesn't move from their ultimatum.