ASA managment ready to continue...

["GO AROUND"]

Got the email from the MEC that managment is ready to start the negotiations up again at the end of December. Can you say, all we want for xmas is the company to actually negotiate in good faith.

Cautiously optimistic, but will wait and believe it when is see it.

 

[outtahere]

We still need the strike vote to give the cnc more leverage.

 

[aviatorcl65]

Get a clue, it costs money to have a poorly motivated pilot force! Go back to school.

"lets run an airline like they always have been run because we are not smart enough to figure out something else".

It is a risk running an airline like the old days in this environment. Treating your workers like trash does not work. Find ways to motivate them and you will win!

Duhhh!

 

[Plug]

Everyone should read the latest "negotiators notepad". It has a good description of the events through the end of October. This should bother even the most tolerant of people.

 

[Tomct]

Yeah, more of the same crap from that Notepad. Company not ready....stall, stall, stall! Give me the Strike ballot! Lets put it right in their cooter pooters! Bring it on BABY!!!

 

[mckpickle]

I know you guys have been going through this for some time now. I'm just wondering why things haven't come to a grinding halt around there?

 

[jrav8tor]

Everyone should read the latest "negotiators notepad". It has a good description of the events through the end of October. This should bother even the most tolerant of people.

I agree. To be honest, this is the first time I have seen what has been negotiated and what is or was in the works before mgmt. decided to stop negotiating so they could do some cost analysis.

I wonder how much longer the NMB will allow mgmt. to keep using these stalling tactics? The notepad made a note that there is no set time limit for mediated talks....

This pilot group's patience won't take much more.

 

[FL990]

I agree. To be honest, this is the first time I have seen what has been negotiated and what is or was in the works before mgmt. decided to stop negotiating so they could do some cost analysis.

I wonder how much longer the NMB will allow mgmt. to keep using these stalling tactics? The notepad made a note that there is no set time limit for mediated talks....

This pilot group's patience won't take much more.

The notepad was written before the next negotiation session was scheduled. They are meeting at the end of this month just after Christmas and supposedly management is going to come ready to negotiate.

As far as a strike vote goes, I just hope that when we conduct it, we get a good turnout. It would be very detrimental if we had a poor showing or we voted and got 70/30 or even 80/20. We need AT LEAST a 90% and 95 would be better.

 

[Plug]

I agree. To be honest, this is the first time I have seen what has been negotiated and what is or was in the works before mgmt. decided to stop negotiating so they could do some cost analysis.

I wonder how much longer the NMB will allow mgmt. to keep using these stalling tactics? The notepad made a note that there is no set time limit for mediated talks....

This pilot group's patience won't take much more.

What is sad is that the NMB can't show bias, and any sort of pressure on the company would show bias towards labor. It is a fine line that the mediator has to walk. The mediator's primary focus is to protect the economy and keep America flying, as soon as the mediator senses a threat from labor he will then park us, or release us. How militant we are will determine the course he chooses. A strike vote is just ONE way to trigger this threat.

Cheers

 

["GO AROUND"]

Managment has not wanted to negotiate a new contract until everything was settled.
Just a thought:
Both sides started out slow in 02 for the first year cause they wanted to see how the industry was going to play out. Let's just say in 03 that the wheels started turning at DAL to sell us. Delta/ASA would not want to change anything and keep costs low to make us look better to a buyer. So they spend the next 2 yrs sending their negotiators to stall until the sale was complete and then afte the sale they now have to cost the new codeshare agreement.

Hopefully, this is the point where things start to happen and the contract gets done. If it doesn't then the strike vote needs to happen very soon. It needs to be at least 95% to 100%.

 

[surplus1]

Do you really expect that Skywest will pay you more at ASA than they currently pay the pilots at SKYW?

 

[Sinca3]

Surplus,
As long as cost are comparable yes they just might pay us more! if our cost are lower than Skywest over all then they can...COULD pay us more over all.
They would look at the a/c leases, gate leases, personnel cost (rampers, dispatchers, VP´s etc) fuel prices we pay, insurance we pay, and all the other cost that are different for us compared to everyone else out there.
I´m sure you knew that though, so I´m wondering why you really posed that question?

 

[blueridge71]

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[601Pilot]

I know you guys have been going through this for some time now. I'm just wondering why things haven't come to a grinding halt around there?

Good question! I wonder about this everyday when I hear guys talking about
single-engine taxi and not using the APU to save gas. It is just sad!

 

[Tomct]

Yes Surplus they will....that is how the line moves higher each time. One company raises the bar and so on! The Skywst pilot group ought to be cheering us on because it will effect their future pay as well! And right now as two separate pilot groups, ASA is MUCH cheaper to operate! We have no duty rigs, no profit sharing, HUGE lack of QOL issues! Man the list could go on and on, but I am sure that someone will pick up right where I left off and continue the list!

 

[ohplease!]

I know you guys have been going through this for some time now. I'm just wondering why things haven't come to a grinding halt around there?

perhaps its because the vast majority of us, while aggravated by the snails pace these negotiations have been progressing, are leaning on our faith in our company coming around to do the right thing by us. We believe intentional waste by us will only hurt our chances of better contract terms. It is my hope that the company will come in after Christmas and negotiate in good faith and that ALPA will do the same. Maybe they will finally meet somewhere in the middle and we can move on with our lives in peace for the next little while. I am optomistic because, as I understand it, the company has asked for these meetings.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Maybe Jerry Atkin's cleaning ASA's house of junk will encourge MGT to move forward. I truely hope that Management has "Good Faith" in negotiations this time around. Once you have your Labor problems solved, you can focus on Passenger issues. This will make you the airline people want to do business with.

 

[=w=]

I think they're just playing nice now due to the threat of a strike vote. Don't let it fool you! We'll see what really happens. My prediction, negotiations will go well until we take our strike vote, then they will tank again pending another cost review.

 

[Texx]

1. We believe intentional waste by us will only hurt our chances of better contract terms.
2. It is my hope that the company will come in after Christmas and negotiate in good faith and that ALPA will do the same.
3...as I understand it, the company has asked for these meetings.

1. The waste has nothing to do with the contract. In fact, this company has wasted so much money over the last 3 years dragging this out. That is one of the reasons Chuck was cut loose. I do not intentionally waste but I do not go out of my way to help it either. I work by the book. They wrote it, they can live by it.

2. Our pilot group has negotiated in good faith since day one. If I'm correct Mr. Atkin asked why has it taken 3 years to get through the non-economic issues. Why did the Company show up at the last session and indicate they might not be able to honor what they have already agreed to. The Company had stated that they had not done any economic costing.

3. You understand wrong.

 

[ohplease!]

1. The waste has nothing to do with the contract. In fact, this company has wasted so much money over the last 3 years dragging this out. That is one of the reasons Chuck was cut loose. I do not intentionally waste but I do not go out of my way to help it either. I work by the book. They wrote it, they can live by it.

2. Our pilot group has negotiated in good faith since day one. If I'm correct Mr. Atkin asked why has it taken 3 years to get through the non-economic issues. Why did the Company show up at the last session and indicate they might not be able to honor what they have already agreed to. The Company had stated that they had not done any economic costing.

3. You understand wrong.

1. yes they have and that frustrates me. Nothing I can do about that. I think its the system more than the management that is broken, which leads to #2. I can work by the book and still conserve fuel, keep on schedule, make our customers happy, etc.

2. I'm not sure they have. The system dictated that EACH side start at an extreme end so they'll have room for give and take. I am hopefully optomistic that Skywest mgmt. will prod ASA mgmt. along and ALPA will meet them out in the middle of the street.

3. Everything I've seen posted stated that ASA/SKYW asked for the meetings after Christmas and appear to be ready to sit down and get it done. If thats wrong, please shed some light....