ASA is staffted well.

[Uncle Bunkle]

I like the word "minions".

 

[Clutch]

A LOT of FO's will soon be getting 3 weeks vacation after their 6 year annisversary. Around 230 on the CRJ side or roughly 30% of the FO's. Add in the new rest rules and this place is screwed.


But guess who has 2 thumbs and doesn't give a sht....
<-- This guy.

 

[COOPERVANE]

A LOT of FO's will soon be getting 3 weeks vacation after their 6 year annisversary. Around 230 on the CRJ side or roughly 30% of the FO's. Add in the new rest rules and this place is screwed.


But guess who has 2 thumbs and doesn't give a sht....
<-- This guy.

WOW I hadnt thought of that.

You can bet the brain trust over at A-tech hasnt either.

 

[Clutch]

WOW I hadnt thought of that.

You can bet the brain trust over at A-tech hasnt either.

Hell no they haven't. But someone over there does get paid to think about it. And when they bring it to whats-his-nuts' attention after reading about it on flightinfo.com they'll be promoted to vp of something.

Hardly matters anyway, since no one is willing to apply for employment here.

 

[ERfly]

But guess who has 2 thumbs and doesn't give a sht....
<-- This guy.

Roger Cohen?

 

[3GRNDWN]

A LOT of FO's will soon be getting 3 weeks vacation after their 6 year annisversary. Around 230 on the CRJ side or roughly 30% of the FO's. Add in the new rest rules and this place is screwed.


But guess who has 2 thumbs and doesn't give a sht....
<-- This guy.

Even more detrimental than the 3 weeks vacation and new rest rules, I'm sure that all 230 of those FO's will make a mass exodus when hiring at the majors goes into full force. Add to that all the captains on reserve having been abused for years - pilots at this place will leave so fast the only thing left will be a permanent low pressure system in the ATL and IAH crew rooms.

 

[Clutch]

Even more detrimental than the 3 weeks vacation and new rest rules, I'm sure that all 230 of those FO's will make a mass exodus when hiring at the majors goes into full force. Add to that all the captains on reserve having been abused for years - pilots at this place will leave so fast the only thing left will be a permanent low pressure system in the ATL and IAH crew rooms.

Yeah I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that. You really think the major managements and regional managements aren't in cahoots? They just aren't going to allow that to happen.

 

[ASApuppy]

Yeah I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that. You really think the major managements and regional managements aren't in cahoots? They just aren't going to allow that to happen.

Unfortunately, I believe you are correct on this. Look at what happened with the hanger mechanics meltdown a few years ago. Even today, an ASA mech cannot get hired at TOC. And in the last few years, we have alligned ourselves with the 3 biggest carriers in the US. Fact is, no carrier can go on having their regional feed just shut off. As much as mainline pilots would like, it is quite simply too big of a shift.

I have no idea how this is all going to pan out in the next few years. Some of the possibilities are scary.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Yeah I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that. You really think the major managements and regional managements aren't in cahoots? They just aren't going to allow that to happen.

Yeah, ASA asked Delta to put the brakes on in 2007 when the attrition was over 30 a month. It will happen again, I'm sure.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Yeah, ASA asked Delta to put the brakes on in 2007 when the attrition was over 30 a month. It will happen again, I'm sure.

SH did brag that he "asked", but did DAL actually do it? IIRC the majority of pilots hired then came from ASA (myself included) and ASA still lost 30 a month. I seriously doubt DAL and UAL care about ASA's staffing problems. In fact, it's insanely idiotic to think that they would hire a less qualified candidate just so that the better candidate can stay at ASA and solve ASA's staffing issues. DAL knows that if ASA doesn't meet its goals, they can be replaced with someone else.

 

[wms]

DAL HR has already told Asa mgmt not to expect the same help. The relationship isn't what it used to be.

 

[ASApuppy]

SH did brag that he "asked", but did DAL actually do it? IIRC the majority of pilots hired then came from ASA (myself included) and ASA still lost 30 a month. I seriously doubt DAL and UAL care about ASA's staffing problems. In fact, it's insanely idiotic to think that they would hire a less qualified candidate just so that the better candidate can stay at ASA and solve ASA's staffing issues. DAL knows that if ASA doesn't meet its goals, they can be replaced with someone else.

You really aren't understanding the issue. UAL and DAL, and AMR do care if we have a staffing issue. We fill their planes. There is no possibility that we get replaced by someone else. Why you ask? Because the pilot shortage has arrived at the regional level. There are no pilots with ATP's that want to come work in this industry for $22/hr. Ok, so maybe none is an overstatement, but the real number is nowhere near the upcoming retirements. Laws of supply and demand are in work here. Labor is insisting wages go up to increase demand. Management is aggressively lobbying Capitol Hill for relief of ATP requirement, thereby increasing supply. As it stands today, Delta would be screwed if they transferred flying from one supplier to another. We can't fill our classes now. Neither can GoJet.

If wages at the regional get raised enough to attract the applicants required to cover all attrition, then the cost advantage of sub-contracting erodes. Think about it. It would probably require a 25+% increase in wages and the elimination of first year poverty to effectively alter supply. If you are going to pay that, then you might as well bring the flying in house.

There is no easy way out of this mess.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

SH did brag that he "asked", but did DAL actually do it? IIRC the majority of pilots hired then came from ASA (myself included) and ASA still lost 30 a month. I seriously doubt DAL and UAL care about ASA's staffing problems. In fact, it's insanely idiotic to think that they would hire a less qualified candidate just so that the better candidate can stay at ASA and solve ASA's staffing issues. DAL knows that if ASA doesn't meet its goals, they can be replaced with someone else.

Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe the ASA attrition would've been even higher had they not asked? I agree that once they interview someone, they aren't going to turn them down because they are from ASA, but they may spread around the interviews a bit.

No matter what, people are going to be leaving as fast as they can in this next round. People who can't interview at Delta will interview at United, AA/ USAir, JetBlue, Virgin, Spirit, etc. If only one airline were hiring, maybe they could stem the tide a bit, but once hiring begins at all Majors, that's not possible.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

You really aren't understanding the issue. UAL and DAL, and AMR do care if we have a staffing issue. We fill their planes. There is no possibility that we get replaced by someone else. Why you ask? Because the pilot shortage has arrived at the regional level. There are no pilots with ATP's that want to come work in this industry for $22/hr. Ok, so maybe none is an overstatement, but the real number is nowhere near the upcoming retirements. Laws of supply and demand are in work here. Labor is insisting wages go up to increase demand. Management is aggressively lobbying Capitol Hill for relief of ATP requirement, thereby increasing supply. As it stands today, Delta would be screwed if they transferred flying from one supplier to another. We can't fill our classes now. Neither can GoJet.

If wages at the regional get raised enough to attract the applicants required to cover all attrition, then the cost advantage of sub-contracting erodes. Think about it. It would probably require a 25+% increase in wages and the elimination of first year poverty to effectively alter supply. If you are going to pay that, then you might as well bring the flying in house.

There is no easy way out of this mess.

In case you haven't noticed, Airbusses and 88s/90s are now flying to places like TRI, CHA, AGS, OKC, TUL, etc. You answered your own question. No one said ASA is getting replaced by another regional. The 50 seat RJs are going away, and mainline is getting new narrow body airplanes. Yes, the economics are supporting this. Do the math.

 

[Nevets]

In case you haven't noticed, Airbusses and 88s/90s are now flying to places like TRI, CHA, AGS, OKC, TUL, etc. You answered your own question. No one said ASA is getting replaced by another regional. The 50 seat RJs are going away, and mainline is getting new narrow body airplanes. Yes, the economics are supporting this. Do the math.

I hope it continues! Put us out of our misery.

 

[Clutch]

If we all had vaginas, we'd all be at mainline

 

[ASA_Aviator]

If we all had vaginas, we'd all be at mainline

Nice.

 

[Freebrd]

If we all had vaginas, we'd all be at mainline

nah if I had a vagina I'd marry a Delta pilot, divorce his ass, take his money, marry enough one, take his money too, repeat repeat :beer:

 

[BOX OFFICE]

If we all had vaginas, we'd all be at mainline

You can go to Thailand and get one, but I still doubt you'll pass an interview.

 

[Clutch]

You can go to Thailand and get one, but I still doubt you'll pass an interview.

I'm good. I'd rather just watch you scissor your girlfriend.