ASA Happenings

[avratdwc]

I read in a previous post that the ASA rumor is indefinate hiring stoppage. What does it look like time line wise for that. Just wondering, a budy of mine there said that they are short FO's in ATL.

 

[asarjfo]

Depends on who ask, and what day it is around here. I don't know if you could call 40 FO's for 206 lines a shortage (CRJ-200).

Our inept scheduling department does not function well if they don't have 100 reserve pilots sitting around sending them food and begging them for flight time.

I certainly hope we do hire soon, I would love to move off the bottom of the list!! Good luck and hang in there, I am sure things will turn around soon.

 

[SFR]

There is a May class. I spoke with recruitment yesterday, and they said it is a for sure thing!!!




SFR for chief pilot!!!!

Seeee Ya!!!!

 

[asarjfo]

Who did you talk to?

 

[ASAFOE120]

Sup Feeeewwwwwl (SFR)!

Ya SFR, I heard the same thing. Monday, May 6 I heard is the date. The last vacancy bid (June) showed 9 capt vacancies sytemwide and 21 fo vacancies.

The prelims for June show 5 Emb DFW fo positions to be filled by newhires and 2 for the Crj DFW. Total Emb fo's in DFW showed 65.

So just Chill (SFR)

 

[cruise 450]

Well are they hiring out of the pool? Or has that pool dried up and their interviewing and hiring for FO positons to be filled?

cruise450

 

[sabreliner]

No interviews yet. No word on a date they might start to interview.

 

[captjorge74]

May 6 Class and possible June Class

As far the May 6 class, the rumor is true. In addition, I heard rumors that the June class will probably drain the pool and may start interviewing again this Summer.


Good luck to you all!!!

 

[falcondrivr]

got new intel for you guys,
got called for an interview yesterday. im going on the 7th. story is that the june class that they are "proposing" will drain the pool and they need to interview to fill this "possible " class.
any help you guys could give me would be great.
thanks.
eric

 

[MetroSheriff]

Falcon,

Congrats and good luck on your interview.

 

[sleepy]

I understand that the hiring pool will be replenished with applicants that have a recommendation from an ASA pilot. They are also going to be more selective due to the greater availability of experienced pilots. I undrstand that the only inexperienced pilots hired will come from the intern programs. This info is from an intern that works in the GO.

 

[generaltso]

It's funny how you think because a person is an intern they must be an inexperienced pilot.

 

[MetroSheriff]

GeneralTso,

It may be a generalization, then again it may be a truism.

If one is an experienced pilot, why are they working as an intern???

Generally, an intern, by definition is one who is working for low or no wages in order to GAIN experience/exposure in the industry in which they hope to someday be employed.

 

[generaltso]

Define experienced pilot... one who has 5000 hours? One who has done single pilot IFR at night carrying checks through freezing rain?

I private pilot I know has over 10,000 hours of VFR day flying. Is he an experinced pilot?

I've seen and heard of "experienced" pilots busting sim rides to either get a job or to pass training.

In my opinion too much emphasis is put on hours. People relate high hours with people that have good judgement. If you look at the NTSB records, many of those high hours pilots have made fatal mistakes.

I am not saying lower time pilots aren't prone to mistakes, all I am saying is that it is more about the pilots attitude then the amount of hours he/she has.

 

[MetroSheriff]

Define experienced pilot... one who has 5000 hours? One who has done single pilot IFR at night carrying checks through freezing rain?

I private pilot I know has over 10,000 hours of VFR day flying. Is he an experinced pilot?

I've seen and heard of "experienced" pilots busting sim rides to either get a job or to pass training.

In my opinion too much emphasis is put on hours. People relate high hours with people that have good judgement. If you look at the NTSB records, many of those high hours pilots have made fatal mistakes.

I am not saying lower time pilots aren't prone to mistakes, all I am saying is that it is more about the pilots attitude then the amount of hours he/she has.

I don't disagree. However, we were discussing interns, not the difference between high and low time pilots. As a rule interns, by definition tend to be those with little experience hoping to gain a job by means of servitude in lieu of experience.

 

[sleepy]

I am no authority on interns, but all of the ones we have hired at ASA are just out of college, were in an aviation program, and have about 300 hours TT. I don't care if you are civilian or military, at that level of experience, you are relatively inexperienced.
They seem to get through training alright (during the internship they go through ground and sim training), they are good people (I am friends with a few), but they don't have a lot of real world aviation experience. That is why they are in the intern program working for minimum wage.
I don't know what level of experience ASA is looking for, but with all of the regional pilots on furlough right now, who are already qualified in our aircraft, why should they hire some guy that is flying checks in a cessna?

 

[dtoften]

It's funny how things have changed. In 1968 major airlines were hiring people off the street to work for them with no experience. Are they inexperienced people...YES. They had the minimum of commerical/instrument/multi. Of course they were going to FE positions but still working for a major airline and have a major responsibility. Don't get me wrong. Experience is a very valuable item but you have a captain/training to aid you thru your experience. IMHO, I believe most airlines look at personality more than experience.

 

[sleepy]

They are going to spend around $25,000 on your training, I think they are looking for people who are likely to be successful in the training, fit the company profile, and get along with the other children.
Many European airlines hire people with no experience, then train them. Most US airlines like the already trained and experienced pilot. That is just the way it is.
There are probably many inexperienced pilots who can get through the traing and do the job, they just can't get the interview.

 

[crjdude]

In response to Generaltso

Like it or not, there is no substitute for experience.
We are always learning. When you reach the point where you feel that you know it all you are probably dangerous.

Really not trying to slam you at all. I'm sure you are a fine pilot with great judgement. But as you gain experience you will understand this more clearly. Kind of like how as you get older Mom and Dad don't seem so dumb anymore.

Good luck in this tough industry. Seems we are all being taught lessons about life with all of the furloughs and such. Just consider it more experience to learn from.

Fly safe

 

[gump88]

One who has done single pilot IFR at night carrying checks through freezing rain?

No, I would call that a STUPID pilot!!


private pilot I know has over 10,000 hours of VFR day flying. Is he an experinced pilot?

No, thats an experienced weekend warrior.


I've seen and heard of "experienced" pilots busting sim rides to either get a job or to pass training.

How do you "bust" a sim ride to get a job??? I think you get the job if you pass!


Sorry, I was bored tonight! hehe
gump

 

[probablecause]

Way to go falcondrivr! I had a friend (EMB120 Captain) walk in my resume last week at ASA. I hope I have a shot at an interview!! What a great place to work. I’m a low timer though so we will see…

 

[falcondrivr]

now you guys got me worried. ive got nobody inside. i might be just going to atl and wasting my time. glad for the interview anyway.
ill post the interview details on this thread and on aviation interviews.com next thurs when i get back.
eric

 

[CAP10B]

The "guy on the inside" is just to bump your file to the top of the list. Once you've got the interview it's all you.

Good luck, be cool, shinny side up.

 

[Airmed]

ASA Hiring

ASA is gearing up agian at a slow pace I think? I was told that the pool is being pulled from and the interviews are starting again. I have an interview on the 14th. I have been all over the net and contacting people left and right. Does anyone have any info on the interview?

 

[sleepy]

I don't know what they are doing now, but two years ago it was a three part, one day affair. They looked through our log books, gave us a really simple AIM/FAR type test (stuff like light gun signals, 121 duty time limits, etc), we took a personality/IQ test, did a one-on-one interview with a line Capt., then flew the ATR sim. The sim was very basic (take off from Albany, GA, hold at the VOR, some climbs, turns, etc, then an ILS approach (raw data) and landing).

I used the interview info line at AIRINC, it was pretty close to what I was asked in the interview. Bring some food, they don't give you a chance to eat.

Good luck!

 

[rjcap]

A liitle more fuel for the fire !!!

Latest information in the 4 day recurrent ground school is that hiring projections are for 3,000 pilots by end of 2004.

We have approximately 1500 pilots now so some how they are planning to hire another 1500 pilots in the next 2.5 years. That would be an average class of 42 pilots for the next 36 months.

Thats a huge goal and also indicates a substantial delivery of aircraft.

Also - a replacement turbo prop for the EMB will be decided by the end of 2002. Most likely the Dash 8 300 or maybe the Q 400.

I understand from the message board that Comair is also hiring when aircraft deliveries resume.

Folks, there is absolutely no intention for the company to stay within any type of scope limitations.

 

[Ty Webb]

Sounds to me like the DALPA needs to convince some lawmakers that the War clause is BS before Delta becomes the world's largest regional airline!

As soon as the announcement was made that the DALPA pilots had lost the arbitration, DAL started positioning the RJ's to compete with AirTran on our ATL deprartures.

Funny thing is, we've got 117 seats we can sell, (and 12 of those are Business class) for basically the same operating costs, so if they want to start giving us the Business class customers, we can give them some of our leisure travelers, but I think it is a pretty poor trade on their part, but what do I know, I'm just a dumb ol' pilot . . . . . .!

This is in no way directed at any Delta or Delta Connection guys and gals- just at the gurus and bean counters!

 

[Boxer]

Holy smoke...

ASA will essentially double in size in 2.5 years? Wow. I figured new hire classes were about to start rolling but geez... Where will all the airplanes go? Pretty interesting. How do Comair and SkyWest fit into the expansion plans? Not much more room at DFW, I guess go to the other satellite there? Anyway, definitely adds fuel to the fire.

 

[MartinFierro]

If this is true, it would make ASA the largest regional in the world, surpassing Eagle (Eagle had about 2700 pilots before furloughs, 270 aircraft; but now it's doing the incredible shrinking act). And doubling the aircraft # on property in several years?!?

Really hard to believe, especially considering that if ASA gets 3 new aircraft every month, and retires not one, it still won't have come close to doubling the fleet in that timeframe.

 

[avratdwc]

Well guys and gals, sounds like some things are finally starting to come around. I can get two LOR's from people in the company that are holding lines out of ATL plus I have alot of friends at the company, I am a little nervous though sending stuff in becauseof the competition out there that have 121 experience and probably type experience, what do you all think? I really want to get into the company soon. Would appreciate some more feedback. CYA