ASA getting RJ 900's

[General Lee]

Hey, why does the DL BK judge keep harping on Delta about the 79 seaters? Here is the quote:

Judge referred to company's 79 seat a/c proposal as "outsourcing DL pilots' jobs".



The RJDC must not like that.......


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[hbrow15]

Pay reductions. We all know that there could be a chance of bringing the rates up later. You need to get the planes first on the property, and then go for the pay.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Sounds like the same thing regional pilot groups were beat up for by Major's pilots and accused of shiny jet syndrome. Hope you have better luck at getting the rates up for all our good. Thumbs up for fighting the good fight for whats left of our industry.

 

[Crash Pad]

So there are going to be Delta mainline pilots making $19 an hour... $37 an hour. I'm impressed if you all fall that far to get the jets on the property. More power to ya... Might even be time to get that resume for Delta ready again.

 

[JoeMerchant]

That's funny. Our Dalpa negotiators are actually Delta pilots, and they are doing the negotiating with the company. Do our Delta pilot negotiators negotiate for ASA or Comair? I think the company is negotiating with us, and our pilots.

RJDC=LAZY BUMS (hey, Continental is hiring---apply NOW)

Bye Bye--General Lee

General Lee,

If you study ALPA history, you will see that ALPA is on the hook for any mistakes made by local MECs. Look at the Duke/Spellacy lawsuit. That was a mistake made by an MEC, but ALPA had to pay. ALPA national as the SOLE bargaining agent has the power to step in as they did in the CCAir case, and is liable for any decisions made by the DAL MEC.

Joe = not lazy and don't want to work for Continental.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Cha-Ching!!!

Hey, what was that sound? Oh nevermind, it's just the sound of the RJDC's lawyers getting rich off of a bunch of idiots that keep sending them checks even though 9 out of 10 claims have already been thrown out of court.

PCL 128,
The case is getting stronger by the day with transcripts like this. ALPA, my bargaining agent, is trying to stop these CL705s from coming to my company. It is a clear conflict of interest.

Joe

 

[rf285]

Please don't let those planes come here DALPA! I would like to work for a career airline someday! Draw a line in the sand now!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Joe Merchant - Thank you.
General - This fight is over representation, not scope directly. And even ou must admit, ALPA, is trying to shift jobs on a current aircraft order from one group of pilots to another. As our only representative, ASA pilots have every right to be unhappy about what our representative is trying to do.
fr285 - Those airplanes are already here. It is the exact same type I'm getting on to go fly in a few minutes.

 

[rf285]

It may be the same type, but all of them belong at mainline! Fire away!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Please don't let those planes come here DALPA! I would like to work for a career airline someday! Draw a line in the sand now!

rf285,

1. There is no legal entity called "DALPA". We can use the term "DALPA" for clarification purposes, but legally there is only one bargaining agent for BOTH ASA and DAL. That bargaining agent is ALPA. It has a Duty of Fair Representation for BOTH ASA and DAL pilots.

2. For some of us, ASA is a "career airline" and we would like to improve that career HERE at ASA. If you want to work somewhere else, please fill out an application at your "career airline" of choice. Then we will both be happy. Use caution however as the "career airline" of choice isn't what it once was.

Joe

 

[JoeMerchant]

It may be the same type, but all of them belong at mainline! Fire away!

It was this flawed logic of "mainline" and "regional" that got us in this pickle in the first place. Your trying to push this camel back in the tent, and it is way too late for that. All airplanes should be "mainline", however egos and flawed bargaining practices, with a dash of myopia has neutered ALPA.

 

[rf285]

Granted, we can't put the airframes on property back into pandora's box. That would be unfair to people who's jobs depend on them, but new aircraft (CRJ900/705 or all ERJ 170 family) should go to mainline. IMHO

 

[michael707767]

Joe Merchant - Thank you.
General - This fight is over representation, not scope directly. And even ou must admit, ALPA, is trying to shift jobs on a current aircraft order from one group of pilots to another.

Fins you are full of crap. As you yourself pointed out in another threat, those aircraft will still go to ASA without any scope changes, they will just be flown with 70 seats. No one at the Delta MEC has any ideas that those aircraft will come here, no matter what happens.

Besides, is that how it works now? Order aircraft that don't fit the scope clause and then by virtue of the fact that they are on order we have to let em go?

 

[FDJ2]

General Lee,

If you study ALPA history, you will see that ALPA is on the hook for any mistakes made by local MECs. Look at the Duke/Spellacy lawsuit.

Joe, if you did your homework, you'd know that ALPA won that lawsuit as a matter of law. The only guys who walked away with any money were the lawyers and the Duke plaintiffs who settled out of court.

 

[spitfire1500]

I think the DL attorney is mixed up. Thse 900's would be Mesa planes. Since they were the launch customer for the 900 they made an agreement that their planes come first off the line and they have them on order.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Fins you are full of crap. As you yourself pointed out in another threat, those aircraft will still go to ASA without any scope changes, they will just be flown with 70 seats. No one at the Delta MEC has any ideas that those aircraft will come here, no matter what happens.

Michael: ALPA forced too many 50 seat RJ's on Delta through their arbitrary scope. I thought everyone would agree that Delta over committing to 50 seaters was a bad thing. Now, ALPA seeks to do the same with the 70 seater. As I wrote elsewhere, I have no problem with the CR709's going to Delta. My problem is that my union is negotiating against my pilots in Court. That is bad faith and a complete failure of ALPA's fiduciary duty to my pilot group.