ASA - Future Schedules w/ Rigs

[Stifler's Mom]

I don't think most ASA pilots understand much.

I'm sure you'll be more than happy to explain it to your FOs though. :laugh:

 

[ReverseSensing]

Exactly...... sometimes the "law of unintended consequences" can be a B!tch....

As long as you schedule at least 3.75 hours of flying each day, unproductive 4 days will be cheaper than some 3 days for the company...

If you guys didn't get a trip rig, a 3.75 min day will probably lead to unproductive trips. Even a trip rig won't prevent unproductive trips unless it is low enough. QX has a 4:1 trip rig and still averages 4-day trips crediting less than 20 hours. I hope we can negotiate somewhere around 3.5:1 so we can earn our credits quicker and get more days off.

A trip pilots view as unproductive (little flying -- long overnights) is productive as far as management is concerned if it doesn't cost them anymore to have you sit around a hotel at an outstation.

Maybe it's been covered elsewhere, but I'm curious how your new (proposed) min day is actually applied/calculated. The devil is in the details on that one.

 

[www.]

The company has wanted to get rid of CDOs for a long time. They eliminated a lot already, but kept some around as a favor to the few who actually like to bid them. They may go away with the new contract.

Yeah, right. Look at LYH. You really think that's a nap because someone likes them. 2 flights a day is the only reason.

 

[SSDD]

I keep telling you to read the fine print, but some of you think your MEC can outsmart Skywest management. Other than hourly rates, what I have heard about your TA is nothing that Skywest doesn't have right now.

Its not too late. Ask questions. Don't get so giddy you'll agree to anything.

 

[No Delay]

yeah, I agree.

If quality of life is what we were looking for...this TA doesn't do it.


13 mil in a bonus...(that will be spent by Jan.). After that, all we have is a better reserve system.

These rigs are really useless...except maybe a long mtc delay would get you an extra hour of pay.

Am I missing something?

 

[No Delay]

Can someone ask some of the ALPA guys these questions next time they are in the crew lounge?

I never see these guys.

 

[ASACAPT]

yeah, I agree.

If quality of life is what we were looking for...this TA doesn't do it.


13 mil in a bonus...(that will be spent by Jan.). After that, all we have is a better reserve system.

These rigs are really useless...except maybe a long mtc delay would get you an extra hour of pay.

Am I missing something?

How can you comment on the TA when you have not seen it. How about you be quiet and go to the road shows and ask questions and SEE the TA before you make up your mind.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Can someone ask some of the ALPA guys these questions next time they are in the crew lounge?

I never see these guys.

Why not? The directions to the MEC office are posted. So are all their phone numbers.

There's no excuse for ignorance.

 

[No Delay]

When I said "I never see these guys"...I didn't mean it in a bad way. I never see them because I blow in and blow out as quick as I can.

I know I can track them down or go and visit the office...I just prefer to get my education from flightinfo


ASACAPT - Take a f u c k i n g chill pill. I know the TA hasn't been published. There are also about 10 other threads about our future contract. Everyone is just talking and sharing OPINIONS. Jackass.

 

[JoeMerchant]

When I said "I never see these guys"...I didn't mean it in a bad way. I never see them because I blow in and blow out as quick as I can.

I know I can track them down or go and visit the office...I just prefer to get my education from flightinfo

Then you are LAZY.... call them up... Let them know how you feel and ask them questions.... they will talk to you....

 

[No Delay]

I know they will talk to me.

I am lazy.

What else ya got?

I was simply making conversation. I wasn't searching for legally binding information. Can I just retract my question?

How about this - "Do you guys think Britney Spears should get her kids back?"

 

[JoeMerchant]

I know they will talk to me.

I am lazy.

What else ya got?

I was simply making conversation. I wasn't searching for legally binding information. Can I just retract my question?

How about this - "Do you guys think Britney Spears should get her kids back?"

Your original question is a good one..... these "rigs" may lead to worse schedules...... however, you need to get involved and get educated..... Whether you like these rigs, or not, whether you like this TA or not, you need to get involved and get educated....

I'm definately not an ALPA cheerleader, but I am tired of people sitting back waiting for things to be put in their lap....

Question BOTH sides, make up your own mind, get involved, and don't expect things to be taken care of for you....

 

[WWEfan]

Can someone ask some of the ALPA guys these questions next time they are in the crew lounge?

I never see these guys.

Have you ever attended an LEC meeting or recurrent lunch?

Would you rather get the information 1st hand from a rep or 2nd hand on a site like this where everyone is an expert in theory? But there is a save all, there will be road shows where you can go and ask questions till you are satisfied or so pissed you want to throw something at the reps.

 

[Speedtape]

A Regular pilot, except on CDO lines, shall be paid daily, the greater of:

1. Duty rig credit, or
2. Min day credit of 3.75 hours, or
3. Scheduled block, on a leg by leg, or
4. Actual block, on a leg by leg.

CDO lines do not get the min day 3.75. Duty rigs are based on scheduled not actual. It is not an average and is not a lookback.

Underblock credit concept went away, however, with this method, the loss is negated by the above method. Most of the time, it appears that CDO lines will get credited with a value above 75 hours. As someone from Skywest mentioned, CDO's go senior as a result.

 

[JoeMerchant]

A Regular pilot, except on CDO lines, shall be paid daily, the greater of:

1. Duty rig credit, or
2. Min day credit of 3.75 hours, or
3. Scheduled block, on a leg by leg, or
4. Actual block, on a leg by leg.

CDO lines do not get the min day 3.75. Duty rigs are based on scheduled not actual. It is not an average and is not a lookback.

Underblock credit concept went away, however, with this method, the loss is negated by the above method. Most of the time, it appears that CDO lines will get credited with a value above 75 hours. As someone from Skywest mentioned, CDO's go senior as a result.

Exactly..... doesn't prevent unproductive 4 day trips and actually encourages them....