ASA - Future Schedules w/ Rigs

[twott driver]

It may stop them building 4 days with one leg back on the last day though.

 

[John Pennekamp]

It may stop them building 4 days with one leg back on the last day though.

Yeah. Now we can count on 4 days that start at 8am on the first day and end at 8pm on the last day.

 

[OCP]

Min day is 3.75 hrs.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yeah. Now we can count on 4 days that start at 8am on the first day and end at 8pm on the last day.

Exactly...... sometimes the "law of unintended consequences" can be a B!tch....

As long as you schedule at least 3.75 hours of flying each day, unproductive 4 days will be cheaper than some 3 days for the company...

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Just so I understand, we got duty rigs, but not trip rigs, then? I thought we had both.

"Duty rigs" only apply to "duty time". Trip rigs are what apply to TAFB. The only time they are the same is on a CDO.

The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in a red zone.

 

[John Pennekamp]

The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in a red zone.

Huh??

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Playing on the confusion of what a trip rig vs a duty rig was.

I'm bored, bear with me.

Male announcer: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in a red zone.
Female announcer: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in a red zone.
Male announcer: The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in a white zone.
Female announcer: No, the white zone is for loading. Now, there is no stopping in a RED zone.
Male announcer: The red zone has always been for loading.
Female announcer: Don't you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for unloading.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Amazing how many people demanded "trip and duty rigs", without understanding them....

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I don't think most ASA pilots understand much.

 

[www.]

What kind of schedules do you think this new contract will create?
Naps?

I am a napper...have a feeling nap lines will go away or way down. A 1:2 rig with an extra hour for 12 hours of duty - nap lines could be valued at 85 -100 hrs.

What schedules will work best (from a financial standpoint) for the company?

Line 374 on the crj would pay 102 hours approx. 12 days off.

Line 345 would pay 91 hours approx with 12 days off.

Line 334 would pay 75 hours, credit is only 70.50.

Since most naps crews run 5 hours under, 80 hours pay, I would guess the increase in hotel cost would be greater than ending CDOs.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I don't think most ASA pilots understand much.

I'm sure you'll be more than happy to explain it to your FOs though. :laugh:

 

[ReverseSensing]

Exactly...... sometimes the "law of unintended consequences" can be a B!tch....

As long as you schedule at least 3.75 hours of flying each day, unproductive 4 days will be cheaper than some 3 days for the company...

If you guys didn't get a trip rig, a 3.75 min day will probably lead to unproductive trips. Even a trip rig won't prevent unproductive trips unless it is low enough. QX has a 4:1 trip rig and still averages 4-day trips crediting less than 20 hours. I hope we can negotiate somewhere around 3.5:1 so we can earn our credits quicker and get more days off.

A trip pilots view as unproductive (little flying -- long overnights) is productive as far as management is concerned if it doesn't cost them anymore to have you sit around a hotel at an outstation.

Maybe it's been covered elsewhere, but I'm curious how your new (proposed) min day is actually applied/calculated. The devil is in the details on that one.

 

[www.]

The company has wanted to get rid of CDOs for a long time. They eliminated a lot already, but kept some around as a favor to the few who actually like to bid them. They may go away with the new contract.

Yeah, right. Look at LYH. You really think that's a nap because someone likes them. 2 flights a day is the only reason.

 

[SSDD]

I keep telling you to read the fine print, but some of you think your MEC can outsmart Skywest management. Other than hourly rates, what I have heard about your TA is nothing that Skywest doesn't have right now.

Its not too late. Ask questions. Don't get so giddy you'll agree to anything.

 

[No Delay]

yeah, I agree.

If quality of life is what we were looking for...this TA doesn't do it.


13 mil in a bonus...(that will be spent by Jan.). After that, all we have is a better reserve system.

These rigs are really useless...except maybe a long mtc delay would get you an extra hour of pay.

Am I missing something?

 

[No Delay]

Can someone ask some of the ALPA guys these questions next time they are in the crew lounge?

I never see these guys.

 

[ASACAPT]

yeah, I agree.

If quality of life is what we were looking for...this TA doesn't do it.


13 mil in a bonus...(that will be spent by Jan.). After that, all we have is a better reserve system.

These rigs are really useless...except maybe a long mtc delay would get you an extra hour of pay.

Am I missing something?

How can you comment on the TA when you have not seen it. How about you be quiet and go to the road shows and ask questions and SEE the TA before you make up your mind.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Can someone ask some of the ALPA guys these questions next time they are in the crew lounge?

I never see these guys.

Why not? The directions to the MEC office are posted. So are all their phone numbers.

There's no excuse for ignorance.

 

[No Delay]

When I said "I never see these guys"...I didn't mean it in a bad way. I never see them because I blow in and blow out as quick as I can.

I know I can track them down or go and visit the office...I just prefer to get my education from flightinfo


ASACAPT - Take a f u c k i n g chill pill. I know the TA hasn't been published. There are also about 10 other threads about our future contract. Everyone is just talking and sharing OPINIONS. Jackass.

 

[JoeMerchant]

When I said "I never see these guys"...I didn't mean it in a bad way. I never see them because I blow in and blow out as quick as I can.

I know I can track them down or go and visit the office...I just prefer to get my education from flightinfo

Then you are LAZY.... call them up... Let them know how you feel and ask them questions.... they will talk to you....