ASA Furloughing?

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The Displacement bid for the ATRs shows the count of how many pilots ASA is fat.

CRJ CA: 42
CRJ FO: 19
CR7 CA: 8
CR7 FO: 15
AT7 CA: 50
AT7 FO: 54

That's 188 more pilots than are needed for the August Schedule. Those numbers are the difference between the number on the roster and the Maximum number needed, so you can easily bend the numbers to reflect a larger quantity of pilots not needed for August.

"ASA has never furloughed in the past" should not be a source of comfort for those who are junior on that seniority list. The fall is going to hit ASA hard.
 

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The Displacement bid for the ATRs shows the count of how many pilots ASA is fat.

CRJ CA: 42
CRJ FO: 19
CR7 CA: 8
CR7 FO: 15
AT7 CA: 50
AT7 FO: 54

That's 188 more pilots than are needed for the August Schedule. Those numbers are the difference between the number on the roster and the Maximum number needed, so you can easily bend the numbers to reflect a larger quantity of pilots not needed for August.

"ASA has never furloughed in the past" should not be a source of comfort for those who are junior on that seniority list. The fall is going to hit ASA hard.



Wow, that doesn't sound good at all. It would be extremely hard to believe that we'd keep 188 +/- folks around more than we need.

I do find it very tiresome to hear the repeated mantra of "ASA has never furloughed in the past". Highly irrelevant. If it's time to furlough, and it looks like it might be soon, the furlough will happen.
 

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I believe that numbers reflected in Prelims are relevant only for the effective date. What i mean is we are fat that many on 3/2/09 there is no relevance between that number and next month.
 

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"ASA has never furloughed in the past" should not be a source of comfort for those who are junior on that seniority list. The fall is going to hit ASA hard.
We'll see. When SkyWest was fat following the post 9-11 cutbacks, it didn't furlough even though reserve levels were in the neighborhood of 40% (20-25% was the desired level at that time). Management and higher paid non-pilot worker bees took temporary pay cuts but there were no pilot furloughs. The management team that was in place at SKYW then has a great deal of influence at ASA now. Past performance does speak to the management's mindset. Anybody taking bets?
 
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The Displacement bid for the ATRs shows the count of how many pilots ASA is fat.

CRJ CA: 42
CRJ FO: 19
CR7 CA: 8
CR7 FO: 15
AT7 CA: 50
AT7 FO: 54

That's 188 more pilots than are needed for the August Schedule. Those numbers are the difference between the number on the roster and the Maximum number needed, so you can easily bend the numbers to reflect a larger quantity of pilots not needed for August.

"ASA has never furloughed in the past" should not be a source of comfort for those who are junior on that seniority list. The fall is going to hit ASA hard.

They are already working on mitigating any hardship. COMA lines are out and that will take some out of the fold month to month. Additionally, you will see lines spread out so much they will be about 75 hours total. Our schedule will be reduced but not as much as elsewhere. ASA should be able to absorb it. Just don't count on getting off reserve anytime soon if you're on it. I have a lot of confidence in our leadership, first time ever for me while at ASA. I really don't believe ASA will be furloughing.

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Brad is running the ship now. He never furloughed a pilot while he was at SkyWest, and I put my money on that he will not do it know.
 

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I'm betting a gallon of jet A was less than half the cost back then.
WE DON'T PAY FOR GAS!!!! It almost seems like you guys want us to fourlough! Geesh, lighten up a bit, if you say things enough you will start putting ideas into their heads and then we will fourlough. My confidense is high that ASA will be fine, and after Mesa goes tits up, we will be looking really smart for having the crews available to cover that flying. If you fourlough, you have to send all of those guys back some some sort of training to get them back online. Have a little faith!
 

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If Popeye's raises their dark-meat chicken price, ASA will furlough.
 

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The cost of retaining a pilot on reserve instead of furloughing a pilot is not measured in the price of gas. That is not a factor.

I really think you missed Over's point: the game is different now than post 9/11. If it makes you feel better that ASA has never furloughed, or that SKYW didn't furlough, great.

Yes, we all know that ASA doesn't pay for the gas. We also know that the ATR is the most fuel efficient airplane at ASA, but that doesn't seem to matter to the present or the future, either.

Current conditions seem to indicate that furloughing is serious possibility at ASA, and no amount of history can change the present.
 

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Brad is running the ship now. He never furloughed a pilot while he was at SkyWest, and I put my money on that he will not do it know.


Dunno if you were intentionally trying to be ironic, but well said.

I sincerely hope for no furloughs.
 

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Just a thought, but when the ATR goes away, most of those routes are still going to need coverage. What do we have to cover them with? Lots of RJ's and displaced ATR pilots.
 

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Yeah well, some of them will need to be covered, and some of them will be dropped.

don't forget that while COMA's are being offered, we always have pilots on sick leave, medical leave, vacation, RGT, PC's, LOFTS, ...

Funny thing is Brad mentioned web boards and rumors in his weekly update tonight, you think he's lurking? Maybe participating?

Hey Brad, wassup? nice job your doing, keep it up, bouyee!!!

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Yeah well, some of them will need to be covered, and some of them will be dropped.

Second that:

There are routes that make sense for an ATR, but won't/don't make sense for an RJ. KHXD comes to mind.
 

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Dunno if you were intentionally trying to be ironic, but well said.

I sincerely hope for no furloughs.


Nothing Ironic about it.. BH is a great guy. Very smart. But with that said, he will not B.S. you. He is straight up..

good luck, sister company.
 

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Brad's message sounded kinda like a back pedal from a 'we have no intention of furloughing.'

At any rate, it's gonna suck in the fall. A paycut no matter how you slice it for eveyone. Line holders back to reserve, maybe some Captains to FO, and higher block lines to probably something closer to 75 for everyone.

Good Luck.
 
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Nobody taking into account all the Management, Medical, and Military leave pilots on your list? How many do you have? Take that from your number of expected furloughs.
 

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I really think you missed Over's point: the game is different now than post 9/11. If it makes you feel better that ASA has never furloughed, or that SKYW didn't furlough, great.
I am missing the point - both Oveur's and yours evidently. My suggestion was that the management team is averse to furloughs under conditions when other management teams were not. If SKYW were to be forecasting a loss in the near term, perhaps they would be less so. However, the analysts following SKYW are forecasting diminished but continuing profits. Whether the stress is terrorism or high gas prices, I think there is a very good possibility that both SkyWest and ASA will come through this without furloughing. Reserve levels will be high (some pilots may need to make an effort to fly a trip just to stay current), lines will be thin, but no pilot will be furloughed. That is my prediction based on what I know about the mindset of the managment team.

The biggest wrench in my rationale as I see it is that PBS is in effect now (at SkyWest anyway) and I don't know if management has the ability to force the max value of a line. If they don't, all bets are off.
 

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They are already working on mitigating any hardship. COMA lines are out and that will take some out of the fold month to month. Additionally, you will see lines spread out so much they will be about 75 hours total. Our schedule will be reduced but not as much as elsewhere. ASA should be able to absorb it. Just don't count on getting off reserve anytime soon if you're on it. I have a lot of confidence in our leadership, first time ever for me while at ASA. I really don't believe ASA will be furloughing.

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Are they already offering those COMA lines or are they coming when things slow down?
 
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