ASA/expressjet & skywest

[PBRstreetgang]

Where do skywest pilots stand on this issue? Do you all want to join the party, or stay on your on?

Skywest pilots.......
Thats a tough one, there are the CAs, Junior and senior, F/Os junior and senior, CRJ and EMB groups, and for the most part any group would shove any other group under the bus for a quick upgrade or extra day off. Not to be blunt the SKYW group symbolizes the entire regional industry in a nut shell. If you don't look out for yourselves, you are crazy. The SKYW pilot group is Pro union, Anti union and "don't care as long as they get a quick upgrade" groups. If you blend lists with our group you will be adding a very dynamic group to your mix, and by that, a wild card mix of INDIVIDUALS with a few exceptions. Personally if I were on another seniority list, I would prefer to remain seperate from the SKYW pilots. As a very pro union pilot, the SKYW group as a whole has been disappointing.
PBR
Remember our pilot group has been drinking all the kool aid that JA can mixup, including the hemlock-acai berry mix.

 

[the palm]

Skywest pilots.......
Thats a tough one, there are the CAs, Junior and senior, F/Os junior and senior, CRJ and EMB groups, and for the most part any group would shove any other group under the bus for a quick upgrade or extra day off. Not to be blunt the SKYW group symbolizes the entire regional industry in a nut shell. If you don't look out for yourselves, you are crazy. The SKYW pilot group is Pro union, Anti union and "don't care as long as they get a quick upgrade" groups. If you blend lists with our group you will be adding a very dynamic group to your mix, and by that, a wild card mix of INDIVIDUALS with a few exceptions. Personally if I were on another seniority list, I would prefer to remain seperate from the SKYW pilots. As a very pro union pilot, the SKYW group as a whole has been disappointing.
PBR
Remember our pilot group has been drinking all the kool aid that JA can mixup, including the hemlock-acai berry mix.

I think we have those same groups of pilots at ASA. Hell, on any given day I am in all 3 of those groups.

 

[rickair7777]

Where do skywest pilots stand on this issue? Do you all want to join the party, or stay on your on?

I suspect it's about 50/50, but I also suspect that the company will do something to piss off enough folks to get a union vote passed before too long. After that, integration should be the obvious path. Obviously we will need fences.

 

[amcnd]

Where do skywest pilots stand on this issue? Do you all want to join the party, or stay on your on?

Theres no point in thinking about it. The company say's it won't happen.. If they are forced to, im sure they have a out in the "offer" over it. And will split as fast as they can, regroup and buy someone else. I think its more 80/20. Most dont want it. and most know it won't happen. Focus on Reality.......

 

[wms]

According to our reps at XJT we have hired outside counsel to look at this... They say the way it looks, this not merging all three lists will not fly. We'll see what happens.

Forcing SKYW to merge all 3 groups kills the deal.

Besides, why would anyone want to merge all 3 groups? Since SKYW bought ASA we're better off than we've ever been and better off than the SKYW pilots. A merged list would only drag ASA down.

 

[wms]

Theres no point in thinking about it. The company say's it won't happen.. If they are forced to, im sure they have a out in the "offer" over it. And will split as fast as they can, regroup and buy someone else. I think its more 80/20. Most dont want it. and most know it won't happen. Focus on Reality.......

They don't have to back out. If there's something they don't like, they refuse to close. That's their right during the due diligence period.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Actualy John, you're 190 out of 1654. Which puts you at 11%. So do you believe that in a DOH situation you should be 4% of an even larger pilot group and gain 6% system seniority?

I think the list will be merged in accordance with ALPA merger policy. It doesn't matter what you or I want...ALPA merger policy will dictate the new list and we will live with the result. Arguing about it won't change the outcome.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

I think the list will be merged in accordance with ALPA merger policy. It doesn't matter what you or I want...ALPA merger policy will dictate the new list and we will live with the result. Arguing about it won't change the outcome.

Funny how you talk ALPA merger policy when it suits YOU!

 

[wms]

We had a lot of guys move on, but it wasnt because of the flow through. More guys left after flow expired than during it.

I think at XJT we think decently of ALPA because we have had a decent relationship with our company(up until the past year or so). ALPA has nothing to do with it IMO, if we were still IACP, and history had repeated itself with the path the company took and we still had a decent relationship with the company, than we wouldnt be having this ALPA vs. non-ALPA argument. Just my opinion.

The situation is similar at ASA. I think the company, the union and the pilots work well together for the best interest of all involved. This will mean seniority integration, as well. I have also seen that the new reps at ASA are more political for their own gains than some in the past.

ASA is the purchaser and will set corporate policy and culture. But I hope with Xjet being the larger group, the XJet MEC will bring a better culture to our MEC, and possibly even replace some of the officers on it.

From what I hear, a mix of ASA corporate culture and XJet MEC advocacy may be a good partnership.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Funny how you talk ALPA merger policy when it suits YOU!

I always advocated for ALPA Merger policy...Even during the PID.

 

[skootertrash]

Forcing SKYW to merge all 3 groups kills the deal.

Besides, why would anyone want to merge all 3 groups? Since SKYW bought ASA we're better off than we've ever been and better off than the SKYW pilots. A merged list would only drag ASA down.

Please don't take offense to this. But You guys sound like battered women. How bad was it before you were bought? Just becuase your last pimp cut you doesn't mean this pimp is looking out for your best interests. I can't believe that this is the feeling of professional airline pilots. Sadly looking at your contract I think it must be.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

I always advocated for ALPA Merger policy...

And yet you don't advocate ALPA.....How hypocritical of you.

Even during the PID.

And yet here you are, with 3 separate companies operating under the SKYW umbrella, and no PID?

 

[CFI2766]

And yet you don't advocate ALPA.....How hypocritical of you.



And yet here you are, with 3 separate companies operating under the SKYW umbrella, and no PID?

If no PID is required, why should we seek one?

 

[wms]

Please don't take offense to this. But You guys sound like battered women. How bad was it before you were bought? Just becuase your last pimp cut you doesn't mean this pimp is looking out for your best interests. I can't believe that this is the feeling of professional airline pilots. Sadly looking at your contract I think it must be.

It was miserable before, now it's pretty good. I think it could be a lot better with a few improvements in the MEC, which is what I'm hoping XE will bring here.

The guys who talk about whip-saw between ASA and SKYW are not entirely correct. There were a few carrots dangled before us that went to SKYW or other places. But I don't believe they were intended to come here anyway, the company just used them as a chip while they had the opportunity.

The company learned we won't cave for growth and since then there has been cooperation to make this a better place.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

If no PID is required, why should we seek one?

It wasn't required when DL purchased ASA and CMR yet your pal joemerchant sought one!

 

[CFI2766]

It wasn't required when DL purchased ASA and CMR yet your pal joemerchant sought one!

Well, let's see: Delta bought an ALPA carrier, two of them, actually, yet ALPA merger policy was not followed. Maybe a PID would have been a good thing.

 

[Nevets]

If you don't look out for yourselves, you are crazy.

Well, being non-union, I almost don't blame them. You almost have to just look out for yourself...DD.

The company say's it won't happen.. If they are forced to, im sure they have a out in the "offer" over it. And will split as fast as they can, regroup and buy someone else.

Oh good, then we found an out!

Forcing SKYW to merge all 3 groups kills the deal.

Besides, why would anyone want to merge all 3 groups? Since SKYW bought ASA we're better off than we've ever been and better off than the SKYW pilots. A merged list would only drag ASA down.

If they don't merge all three list, the next best thing is to kill the deal. A merged list will make three separate weak pilot groups one stronger group.

The situation is similar at ASA. I think the company, the union and the pilots work well together for the best interest of all involved. This will mean seniority integration, as well. I have also seen that the new reps at ASA are more political for their own gains than some in the past.

So both MECs have proven that they are more than willing to work with management yet JA and Co. are reluctant to one list us. Gee, I wonder why?

Please don't take offense to this. But You guys sound like battered women. How bad was it before you were bought? Just becuase your last pimp cut you doesn't mean this pimp is looking out for your best interests. I can't believe that this is the feeling of professional airline pilots. Sadly looking at your contract I think it must be.

Exactly what I was thinking. If things have improved that much since SKW bought you, it just tells me that you were treated very very bad before then.

The guys who talk about whip-saw between ASA and SKYW are not entirely correct. There were a few carrots dangled before us that went to SKYW or other places. But I don't believe they were intended to come here anyway, the company just used them as a chip while they had the opportunity.

The company learned we won't cave for growth and since then there has been cooperation to make this a better place.

Um, that is the worst kind of whipsaw there is. They used something that only they have true knowledge of to beat you over the head with. This is even worse then them just placing aircraft that were going to ASA over to SKW.

SKW his has to learn the lesson why tried to teach two years ago. That we wont cave on our scope language. Once they realize that maybe they can focus on making all of us a better place.

 

[centralpilot]

If things have improved that much since SKW bought you, it just tells me that you were treated very very bad before then.

Bingo!

 

[outtahere]

We were treated fine, we were just in negotiations for five years. Not sure if you've ever faced any adversity in your life, it sounds like your a golden spoon riddle rat who's always gotten everything you've wanted. If the majority of the XJT guys are like you, I hope they kill the deal, the last thing we need is a bunch of little future widgets running around.

 

[pipi]

Funny how you talk ALPA merger policy when it suits YOU!

He is just stating a fact. Whether he likes it or not, suits him or not, he only stated a fact. I think you spend way too much time looking for an excuse to lash at him. If you are going to do that, at least use valid, educated arguments. Just because he does not like ALPA, which is a right afforded by the US constitution, it does not mean he cannot use the word ALPA to make a statement. Grow up.