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COOPERVANE

COOPERVANE

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ASA Dulles day three: It has started

Sorry.... title should read DULLES!!


So, I see that several crews are being TDY'd to IAD.

What's wrong crew scheduling? mis-manage your IAD reserves already?

Only 10 flights operated today. I guess the 30 crew wasn't enough

Robbing Peter to pay Paul on day 3. Fantastic

Sloppy.....very sloppy
 
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The ROA nap was cancelled last nite for crew rest issues. Guess that may be a result of everyone being on 9am short call a having to cover naps. Just guesses though the people in ATL got the big picture in front of them
 
I suspect most of the IAD pilots commute. Many out of ATL. With all the disruptions in ATL, IAD, and DFW, it wouldn't surprise me if most commuters didn't make it.
 
Well, that's what happens when you don't pay your newbies more than minimum wage and displace them with a few months notice to one of the most expensive areas in the country.

Didn't I just watch a Frontline show on this? Deja Vu?
 
So whats wrong with this? Sounds to me like good business. ASA wants to succeed in Dulles to grow their business. We are fat in Atlanta with dozens of guys sitting around doing nothing. Look at the reserve lists. Hardly anybody over 25 hours or so. Why not send a couple up to keep things running smoothly? You bash ASA for this?
 
Not like this is anything new anyway. I was TDYd to ATL from DFW for a week to fly Brasillas that ASA didn't fly in ATL anymore... Unless they needed to.
 
Oakum_Boy said:
Well, that's what happens when you don't pay your newbies more than minimum wage and displace them with a few months notice to one of the most expensive areas in the country.

Didn't I just watch a Frontline show on this? Deja Vu?
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What are you talking about? This doesn't even make sense.
 
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What are you talking about? This doesn't even make sense.
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And none of our 'newbies' are on first or second year pay. They are on industry leading FO pay, which still sucks, but that was one lame post.

Forced commuting does suck butt though.
 
Yes... furlough everyone making less than 35K so we can claim a higher average FO pay... *crickets* *crickets*...
 
79%N1 said:
So whats wrong with this? Sounds to me like good business. ASA wants to succeed in Dulles to grow their business. We are fat in Atlanta with dozens of guys sitting around doing nothing. Look at the reserve lists. Hardly anybody over 25 hours or so. Why not send a couple up to keep things running smoothly? You bash ASA for this?
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Ill tell you why. Our scheduling dept is SO mismanaged they need 100 reserve captains to cover 300 lines. We exhaust reserves on a daily basis. I rarely sit around "doing nothing"

I am an ATL based pilot. I stayed in ATL for a reason. I could have held a pretty good line in IAD had I bid it, but I didn't!! Now I am a reserve pilot flying a crappy reserve schedule in IAD ANYWAY. You wonder why I'm pissed?

The IAD crews went to a nice training day to familiarize themselves to the United ops in IAD and ORD.

NOW due to scheduling's lack of planning and incompetence, I must TDY to IAD and operate in a system with no "familiarization class" It IS very different, and is very sloppy planning.

Wait till you take YOUR TDY turn with 6 legs between CVG and ORD. We'll see how happy you are to "help out"
 
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COOPERVANE said:
The IAD crews went to a nice training day to familiarize themselves to the United ops in IAD and ORD.
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Actually....no. Read the slides on ourasa, that is all that was discussed on the training day. In fact, they read the slides to us.
 
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ace6453 said:
Actually....no. Read the slides on ourasa, that is all that was discussed on the training day. In fact, they read the slides to us.
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Wow. I stand corrected. Thats some quality training right there!!
 
Or, differently, why not take the initiative to do whatever you can legally and contractually to get the job done? It doesn't take a leap of faith to see that a lot of ASA's future prospects will be either helped or harmed by the results of the IAD/ORD operations. Yes, reserve sucks no matter where you are, TDY or not. The definition of TDY includes the word 'temporary', though. Just get it done.


For me, it is helpful to know that contract negotiations are right around the corner.


Personally, I think statements like these are a much better place to start negotiations on our next contract:

"It is great to see people are going above and beyond to make ASA an even better place and so willing to pitch in. Thank you."

and:

"Throughout the past two years, ASA people have accomplished incredible performance feats, positioning our airline as a safe, reliable and attractive carrier to mainline partners."

What do you think?
 
we have 25% res coverage in IAD and still cant get it right, only around 50 flights a day. We are not doing that great of a job b/c they schedule ATL crews to operate out of ORD and due to w/x they cant get there. Already there is junior manning going on to cover trips that were scheduled to operate with atl crews. operated new service to pns 2 hours late, 28 min turns scheduled in ord. they really dont give us the tools to work with, in asa fashion we are set up to fail.
 
Every regional that starts with a new carrier struggles at first while they get used to things, remember there is no proactive thinking at airlines, only reactive. Im sure you guys will get it right after about a month.
 
Welcome to the life of a UAX regional! Get ready to pour your resources into this system that is skewed just enough to consistently fail...unless of course you are flying in the sun and rainbows of the west coast! Enjoy, it is not the ticket to anything better!
 
While I can't add anything ASA specific I can talk about UAX ops in IAD and ORD. Both IAD and ORD suck. IAD sucks because of ops and ORD because of ground stops. Here is a rundown of some of the things you will run across.

IAD:
1. Over 20 languages are spoken on the ramp...and I don't think English is one of them.

2. Even the person that is on ops radio doesn't speak English. Anything that is not ordinary (IE "in-range or ready to board") will take at least 5 attempted transmissions before the English speaking person in ops will get on the radio. Then it might take up to 30 to 60 mins to get the service you just asked for.

3. Wheel chair service super slow. It is common to have a pax on the plane for over 30 mins after block in waiting on wheel chair. If its a straight back the probs are worse.

4. They are super understaffed. In the A gates there is 1 push crew / tug for 6 gates. UAL schedules those 6 gates to leave within 5 mins of each other. Obviously this doesn't happen. So every bank there is a "loser" on that finger.

5. De-icing in the pad....hahaha well lets just say they usually "lose the list" and then people end up waiting around on average of 3 hours with pax on board before getting de-iced.

ORD.

1. When taxiing DO NOT STOP unless you want to get yelled at or need to talk to ground. They will be more than willing to double you back if you miss your turn.

"Double back" means basically a U-turn. IE you're on A and need to pass you gate then turn on A12 then head the other way on B for a bit.

"Bridge transition" They are talking about going over the bridges by 32R. These are on A and B taxiways. Sometimes they call this "the long way around"

2. Its run much better than IAD

3. Main problem is having to wait on a gate when you get to ORD. Usually only a few mins, but if its snowing you can wait for hours.

4. They de-ice on the gate...which leads to major backups in during periods of winter wx.


Welcome to IAD and ORD. Hope this helps you guys out a bit.
 
I the IAD rampers and gate agents are an extremely diverse workforce. Lots of accents and I believe most if not all speak English as a second language at best. Its a very international environment. Lots more international airlines than ATL.

Also, taxing around IAD is a dream compared to ATL. The airport is very dead except for a few pushes. Reminds me of CVG.
 
of course they are. heaven forbid asa gets some flying other than atlanta that we are actually responsible for. We know we wont be getting SLC or DEN or anything that skywest can do.
 
This is like a bad movie, remade with the same script but different actors.

You can take almost all of the comments in this thread and apply them to Mesa's UA startup a few years ago.

Sooner or later you may come to the same conclusion: that UA is the problem.
 
If they TDY you, don't they have to positive space you to and from your permanent base?
 
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Yes, plus hotel, plus transportation to and from the airport, plus per diem.
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Plus min day credit if they don't use you. In other words, you getting PAID! Lot of the reserve guys up here are ticked because the TDY guys are doing the same job we are but getting paid much more with hotel provided. I told them that's just how the seniority system works and we gotta hang in there.
 
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Why are they TDYing Atlanta based pilots. If we're short staffed in IAD, shouldn't we have sent a few more people to IAD? I heard they are sending people for 5 day stays in IAD hotels. Give me a break. This needs to be addressed.
 

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